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David Gray Cuomo forgot to add an exclusion for law enforcement. Now in NY all police officers must comply with the 7 round limit or break the law themselves.
David Gray "I have little gun knowledge" Don't worry, I got that when you started talking about 'silencers'.
David Gray Has there ever been a mass killing where a suppressor was used? Why are we even talking about them? They are highly regulated, require even additional screening to obtain, an additional tax, and registration.
David Gray I honestly don't see the executive actions the President took as a big deal. What exactly was done that is a problem? Nothing I can find. I think the problem is that certain people just don't like executive orders at all. To be fair, this happens no matter who is in office. When GWB issued executive orders, the democrats went just as bat-crap crazy as the republicans are now.
David Gray When his party controlled both houses of congress and even then it barely got passed.
David Gray The problem is Congress is the one that has to approve such a measure...
David Gray I don't remember the language exactly, but Scalia stated in the Heller opinion that regulations and bans on things like automatic weapons is constitutional. I don't remember if he specifically said automatic weapons, but it was clear that was what he was alluding to. The Heller decision was very careful in its wording because of the current regulations on 'destructive devices' and automatic weapons because SCOTUS did not want to have the decision misinterpreted in such a way that previous gun control laws such as the National Firearms Act were being struck down in the decision.
David Gray I agree Pawel.
David Gray Yes and since the gun must have been registered and manufactured prior to 1986 legal automatic weapons are EXTREMELY expensive (5 figures). They are collector's items and rarely if ever used in crime today.
David Gray Still waiting to see the language from Feinstein's bill. It would not surprise me if "military accessory rail" is included as a feature for handguns. That would ban a vast majority of handguns that include a rail for mounting accessories by marking them as 'assault weapons'.
David Gray I would classify the weapons used as semi-automatic firearms. I don't know of anyone that rates "effectiveness in maximizing their killing in the shortest possible time". This would require a combination of factors, including ammunition used, shot accuracy, skill of the shooter, etc... I would suggest the country do a many things such as enforcing the laws already on the books. Requiring all federal agencies to submit information to the NICS would be helpful. Passing a law requiring mental health doctors to submit their information on possible 'dangerous patients' would also be a good step. Prohibition of arms to lawful citizens does not work. We know this because it happened in the past and had no measurable effect.
David Gray The difference is I believe we needed movement in some direction on healthcare. I don't think we need to move to ban guns in any direction.
David Gray The results they have in mind are different from ours and the public at large. They want to ban guns, period. Eventually they want to disarm us as much as possible. That means handguns in particular. This is a first step.
David Gray Terry don't try to confuse the agenda with silly facts!
David Gray They have to start the bans somewhere. Initially when the AWB was conceived, the people wanting to put out the ban wanted to target handguns. After much consultation, they decided it would never pass, so they pivoted to something else that was a lesser known 'evil'. They got the ban passed for 10 years and it lapsed because it was shown to be ineffective. Not sure why they believe anything would be different today. That's the point really. It won't be different today, but banning something is a first step to banning something else. Handguns are the end target.
David Gray Your study doesn't link video games to gun violence, which is what I stated.
David Gray Its from an old study that happened prior to the Brady bill which required background checks.
David Gray "More disturbingly, those who played video games for more than four hours a day were 50% more likely to report plans to own a gun." LOL! Why is this 'more disturbingly'? There is no link to playing video games and gun violence. Next you'll start hearing demands for the question, "Do you play video games?" to be on the background check to purchase a gun...
David Gray Just more reason for Republicans to not support it. Spending without cuts.
David Gray It doesn't matter if you see the use for something Yanwen. That is not grounds to ban me from buying one if I want it. I don't see the use for a car that can go more than 85 mph. Maybe we should stop that as well. I would bet it would save more lives than an assualt weapons ban ever would.
David Gray Go see Zero Dark Thirty. They give a fair representation of what a suppressor actually sounds like during the raid scene at the end of the movie. Still quite loud.
David Gray I would also contest suppressors. You already have to have an extended background check, registration, and a $200 tax to obtain a suppressor. Why ban them outright?
David Gray My understanding is that liberals have been trying to ban SUV's for quite sometime. Love the picture btw.
David Gray You also have game wardens that check the plugs of weapons periodically throughout the season. Is that where this is going? Periodic checks of your weapon magazines to make sure you are compliant with the law?
David Gray That was the editors choice to lead people in. I don't want them banned. This was designed to be more of an opinion piece as to where I believe the strategy will be going forward. I want to give everyone a fair warning because I think gun control advocates know that the assault weapons ban cannot pass, so they will pivot to the high capacity magazine ban.
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David Gray Cuomo forgot to add an exclusion for law enforcement. Now in NY all police officers must comply with the 7 round limit or break the law themselves.
David Gray "I have little gun knowledge" Don't worry, I got that when you started talking about 'silencers'.
David Gray Has there ever been a mass killing where a suppressor was used? Why are we even talking about them? They are highly regulated, require even additional screening to obtain, an additional tax, and registration.
David Gray I honestly don't see the executive actions the President took as a big deal. What exactly was done that is a problem? Nothing I can find. I think the problem is that certain people just don't like executive orders at all. To be fair, this happens no matter who is in office. When GWB issued executive orders, the democrats went just as bat-crap crazy as the republicans are now.
David Gray When his party controlled both houses of congress and even then it barely got passed.
David Gray The problem is Congress is the one that has to approve such a measure...
David Gray I don't remember the language exactly, but Scalia stated in the Heller opinion that regulations and bans on things like automatic weapons is constitutional. I don't remember if he specifically said automatic weapons, but it was clear that was what he was alluding to. The Heller decision was very careful in its wording because of the current regulations on 'destructive devices' and automatic weapons because SCOTUS did not want to have the decision misinterpreted in such a way that previous gun control laws such as the National Firearms Act were being struck down in the decision.
David Gray I agree Pawel.
David Gray Yes and since the gun must have been registered and manufactured prior to 1986 legal automatic weapons are EXTREMELY expensive (5 figures). They are collector's items and rarely if ever used in crime today.
David Gray Still waiting to see the language from Feinstein's bill. It would not surprise me if "military accessory rail" is included as a feature for handguns. That would ban a vast majority of handguns that include a rail for mounting accessories by marking them as 'assault weapons'.
David Gray I would classify the weapons used as semi-automatic firearms. I don't know of anyone that rates "effectiveness in maximizing their killing in the shortest possible time". This would require a combination of factors, including ammunition used, shot accuracy, skill of the shooter, etc... I would suggest the country do a many things such as enforcing the laws already on the books. Requiring all federal agencies to submit information to the NICS would be helpful. Passing a law requiring mental health doctors to submit their information on possible 'dangerous patients' would also be a good step. Prohibition of arms to lawful citizens does not work. We know this because it happened in the past and had no measurable effect.
David Gray The difference is I believe we needed movement in some direction on healthcare. I don't think we need to move to ban guns in any direction.
David Gray The results they have in mind are different from ours and the public at large. They want to ban guns, period. Eventually they want to disarm us as much as possible. That means handguns in particular. This is a first step.
David Gray Terry don't try to confuse the agenda with silly facts!
David Gray They have to start the bans somewhere. Initially when the AWB was conceived, the people wanting to put out the ban wanted to target handguns. After much consultation, they decided it would never pass, so they pivoted to something else that was a lesser known 'evil'. They got the ban passed for 10 years and it lapsed because it was shown to be ineffective. Not sure why they believe anything would be different today. That's the point really. It won't be different today, but banning something is a first step to banning something else. Handguns are the end target.
David Gray Your study doesn't link video games to gun violence, which is what I stated.
David Gray Its from an old study that happened prior to the Brady bill which required background checks.
David Gray "More disturbingly, those who played video games for more than four hours a day were 50% more likely to report plans to own a gun." LOL! Why is this 'more disturbingly'? There is no link to playing video games and gun violence. Next you'll start hearing demands for the question, "Do you play video games?" to be on the background check to purchase a gun...
David Gray Just more reason for Republicans to not support it. Spending without cuts.
David Gray It doesn't matter if you see the use for something Yanwen. That is not grounds to ban me from buying one if I want it. I don't see the use for a car that can go more than 85 mph. Maybe we should stop that as well. I would bet it would save more lives than an assualt weapons ban ever would.
David Gray Go see Zero Dark Thirty. They give a fair representation of what a suppressor actually sounds like during the raid scene at the end of the movie. Still quite loud.
David Gray I would also contest suppressors. You already have to have an extended background check, registration, and a $200 tax to obtain a suppressor. Why ban them outright?
David Gray My understanding is that liberals have been trying to ban SUV's for quite sometime. Love the picture btw.
David Gray You also have game wardens that check the plugs of weapons periodically throughout the season. Is that where this is going? Periodic checks of your weapon magazines to make sure you are compliant with the law?
David Gray That was the editors choice to lead people in. I don't want them banned. This was designed to be more of an opinion piece as to where I believe the strategy will be going forward. I want to give everyone a fair warning because I think gun control advocates know that the assault weapons ban cannot pass, so they will pivot to the high capacity magazine ban.