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The Big Q: A Good Sport?

The Big Q: A Good Sport?

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Nathan has always thought, to be the best, you have to believe you’re the best. Recruited to a top Division I school to play basketball, he is ruthless on the court. If he knocks a player down, the player shouldn’t have been in his way. If he scores a three in his defender’s face, he lets his opponent know how bad his defense was. Most guys dislike playing against Nathan because of his competitive callousness. But confidence, alone, can’t take you to the top, and Nathan knows that. He is the first guy to arrive at practice and the last one to leave. Nathan may be called inconsiderate, rude, and egotistical, but being the best means making other people worse than you.

Off the court, however, Nathan seems like a totally different person. He is polite, soft spoken in class, and is willing to help others if there’s homework they don’t understand. Noticing this shift in disposition, one of Nathan’s teammates—one that Nathan had recently called out in front of the whole team—accused Nathan of being two-faced: although he tries to appear friendly off the court, he’s really just an arrogant jerk.

Weigh in: So, is Nathan a good guy or a bad guy?  What impact have sports had on his character?  In general, do you think participating in college sports has a good or bad influence on the players?

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I am apart of my college debate team and yes that is considered a competitive sport in some aspects. A difference between the good debater and the great debaters were their attitudes. The good debaters were astoundingly arrogant, generally did not have supporters, and when you debated them you felt as though you had your nose shredded against concrete and there was no learning experience. A great debater tried to actually make you understand their arguments, you learned so much from the round even if you lost they made smart arguments not just cheap shots that would win them the round. I believe that Nathan has confused a competitive attitude with a demeanor that undermines other people. Sports foster competition which is healthy, but has to refined so that it does not inflate egos.

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The one sentence that stood out to me was this one: being the best means making other people worse than you. This mentality demonstrates selfishness and a lack of perspective. What separates individuals who leave college sports a better person from those who act like entitled brats is having respect for one's fellow competitors.

Based on his actions off the court, Nathan seems to have a basic sense of integrity. Society often tends to separate the arena of sports from 'real life', but he should not allow his competitiveness to overcome the basic value of treating his teammates and opponents with respect, the same respect that he would show his fellow classmates or professors.

An example of being "the best" and still giving an opponent the respect he deserves: http://youtu.be/QN_O4dy6VyI

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In my opinion sports generally facilitate both leadership and determination in a positive way however from experience, I have seen members of certain teams (particularly basketball) continuously walk around campus like they own the place or feel entitled simply because they are apart of a team. Clearly competition has a positive influence on one's physical skills yet as seen in the case above, can have stronger negative influences on one's ego (As I see in members of the basketball team on my campus). Anyone have any thoughts or care to disagree?

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  • Kevin Yu 2 months ago I think the egotistical part of it ...

I think the egotistical part of it comes from them being put on a pedestal and being big part of the school's image, especially at a big DI school. I'd say the sense of entitlement that you described really depends on the individual's personality.

I know people who were star athletes in high school, and have been humbled by the experience of playing college sports.

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I've been an athlete my entire life and I can really sympathize with Nathan both as an athlete and student. There's a saying that competition can bring out the best and the worst in people. Athletes train for hours and hours each day to perfect the moves that they need to win when their in competition. While Nathan might seem "inconsiderate, rude, and egotistical", what he's doing is putting everything into the game that he's spent so many hours practicing in. However, I don't agree with the fact that he needed to "let his opponent know how bad his defense was." Making great shots and being proud of how well you did doesn't mean you need to put another player down. I feel like this is where the issue of bullying and self-esteem issues come into play. With sports, you ca

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Nathan seems to have a problem that many athletes have to deal with. It appears that he has taken his competitiveness too far. I believe that it is unnecessary to be degrading to your opponent.

Nathan is not a bad person, however. His practice habits show that he has a great work ethic and a dedication to excellence. His desire to help classmates show that he truly cares about others. Unfortunately, his in-game attitude has not been reflective of the kind of person he is.

Ultimately, college sports can have a positive effect on players. It can teach work ethic, perseverance, sportsmanship, and many other great qualities. Nathan, as well as all other athletes, need to remember that basketball is just a game and being a good person is more important than any stat in the stat book.

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago I disagree with solely your last st...

I disagree with solely your last statement! Although basketball is "just a game," it is a game people choose to participate in. With that comes, for lack of a better phrase, talking shit. While the issues Julie raises with bullying and self-esteem may come into play for k-12 sports, collegiate athletics are the highly competitive, bastard child of professional sports (a job).

Once the clock starts, the "gloves come off" and Nathan's competitiveness kicks in. Like you say, he is not a bad person, and college sports do have a positive effect on players. This is not exclusive from competitiveness or even talking shit. It exemplifies that he can separate a ruthless competition (maybe in the business world later on) from the sweet disposition he maintains around his future family.

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  • Adam Irino 3 months ago I agree that college sports are ext...

I agree that college sports are extremely competitive and things change once the clock starts. However, I disagree with your statement that "talking shit" is something that simply "comes with the game". I think that being competitive and talking shit are two totally different things. I think being competitive is pushing yourself to be the best you can be while talking shit is putting down other players. I think that Nathan, as well as other college athletes, are perfectly able to be competitive without talking shit. Take Michael Jordan for example, he is one of the most competitive human beings to ever live, yet the event of him talking shit to other athletes is very rare, if not nonexistent.

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College sports undoubtedly have a profoundly positive influence on the players. Athletes learn a great deal about dedication, time management, self-motivation, and teamwork. In Susan Saint Sing’s book, “Ancient Eight”, Tiff Wood, a Harvard rowing legend, is quoted as saying, “have every student take one semester of crew and you would have better citizens”; I could not agree more.

I do not fault Nathan for his competitiveness on court. However, Nathan should adopt a different approach to constructively criticizing a teammate. Importantly, athletes like Nathan are often forced to change their attitude in college. Most athletes want to win and are fully aware that diva antics do not facilitate winning. Nathan is probably an all-star underclassman used to running his team, he'll learn.

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We often live with compartmentalized roles. Nanthan is a good guy in one role and bad in another. One problem is when going after some type of goal, bad habitual actions are overlooked. In many ways the problem with sports has been the influx of money into them. Winning and the money tied to it can put people in a dilemma when it comes to overlooking this bad actions.

Sports is just one more outlet that can lead to character development. For a large number of people it can be the outlet that resonates the most, and is very useful. That development can be for better or for worse. There are jerks in the academy, in the arts, in business, and in any other workplace.

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  • Jake Teeny 3 months ago I really like the point you bring u...

I really like the point you bring up about compartmentalized roles. It's true: in certain situations we behave one way, and in others we behave another. But what does that say about someone's character? Yes, it's understandable that you will talk to your parents in one manner and your friends another, but when you have something as drastic as Nathan's case (something familiar to a number of competitive athletes) how much of his person is made up by his "alter ego?" Is it possible for athletes--those trying to be the best--to be kind and "soft spoken" *on* the field? Or does success in sports require that you be vicious and relentless as soon as the starting horn blows?

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago I would argue that, no, it is not p...

  • Kevin Yu 2 months ago There is a distinct difference betw...

I would argue that, no, it is not possible to be kind and soft-spoken on the court. This depends on the sport, but in team sports at the collegiate level there is a certain concentration that requires a loud stimuli to interrupt. In my experience with soccer, rugby, and wrestling the only way to be heard by a teammate on the field is to be loud.

As for "kind," that is more relative. Yes, people respond better (usually) when spoken to kindly. But in team sports the only time there can be "kindness" is off the field when there is more time to elaborate rather than simply correct.

"do X instead of Y " (harsh-voiced, on field)
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"next time try X instead of Y etc" (soft-spoken, off field)

The difference is time and based off trust in teammates experience and alternative perspective.

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There is a distinct difference between being "vicious" and "relentless" though. Criticizing teammates is often an important part of making a team better, but the fact that Nathan's teammates react so strongly to him indicates that his criticisms may be uncalled for. And insulting a defender after beating him is just unnecessary.

I think the most important point Jeff makes is that there are "jerks" in every area of life, not just in sports. I would go so far as to say some institutions, like business school or law school, can build a similarly vicious/ruthless competitive nature in its participants.

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Being competitive doesn't make someone a bad person. Have you watched an NHL Hockey game lately?....

It's a 2 for 1. Hockey game... interrupted with a few Boxing matches.

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  • Luke Decker 3 months ago And just a side note as a current N...

  • Luke Decker 3 months ago College sports certainly has a good...

And just a side note as a current NCCA D1 Athlete...

Confidence won't take you to the top... but once you get there... confidence - trust in your ability and trust in your training - is the difference between a good collegiate athlete and a GREAT one.

But you've got to have the ability... and the work ethic in training... because without it, there wouldn't be anything to have confidence in.

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College sports certainly has a good influence on players. I've learned some of life's greatest lessons in NCAA collegiate sports - those of determination, diligence, hard work, and teamwork.

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  • Jake Teeny 3 months ago Although I agree with you that spor...

  • Emory Babb 2 months ago Well played, Luke, well played. ...

Although I agree with you that sports can build determination, diligence, and a hard work ethic in a student, don't you think there are other ways--ways that don't involve "chasing a ball around a field"--that we could develop these characteristics? Or do you believe that what you have learned from playing sports could have only been taught to you through sports? For while athletics may be a way to build character, we have to ask ourselves: is it the best means to this end?

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago Sure, there are other ways to devel...

Sure, there are other ways to develop these traits, but they are not ways in which mass amounts of people will participate. The highest value in sports lies in that it can teach these things to so many people.

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Well played, Luke, well played.

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I am a current college athlete and I must say that the lessons I have learned from sports throughout my life are invaluable and are things that my friends who are not athletes will never experience.

Playing college sports has an unbelievably good influence on the players. In order to succeed, you must have incredible time management, incredible competitiveness, and an incredible work ethic. These are things that translate well into life after sports. Things can get heated (and they do) and people can act like jerks on the court or field, but that doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. The one flaw Nathan has is he should be closer with his team. He should be mean and competitive in games but to his team, he should be considerate while still maintaining competitiveness.

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  • Samuel Todd 3 months ago One example I can think of is Tim T...

One example I can think of is Tim Tebow (yes I know we have heard enough about him). He is as competitive a guy as you are going to find. He wants it more than anyone else out there and he works his tail off for it. On the field he is no nice guy. At the end of the game, he wants the ball in no one else’s hands but his. (Now he is also a leader for his time)

But off the field, he is soft spoken and composed. He is involved with tons of charity work and loves putting other people before himself. I would say Tim Tebow is in no way a bad guy and neither is Nathan.

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  • Jake Teeny 3 months ago I think Tim Tebow is a great exampl...

I think Tim Tebow is a great example of how sports can build character. But I would argue he is an anomaly in the field of athletics. Take examples of Ron Artest (excuse me, "Meta Worldpeace") or Plaxico Burress. Both these men are top notch athletes, but the former went into the stands to punch a fan, and the latter shot himself in the leg. While I can understand your point of how sports builds character, what about the arrogance it also builds? The lavish expenditures it also encourages (at least on a professional level)? With our society's enthrallment with athletics and its athletes, has it come to the point where their god-like status diminishes character rather than promotes it?

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  • Luke Decker 3 months ago It's certainly very difficult ...

  • Luke Decker 3 months ago And I agree with you, Jake: some pr...

  • Samuel Todd 3 months ago That is also professional sports vs...

It's certainly very difficult to be humble in professional athletics. It's refreshing when a Tim Tebow rolls around... just the fact that he's willing to deflect his own glory to God is respectable. He's certainly the exception.

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And I agree with you, Jake: some professional athletes will openly say one thing and act in completely different way without conviction or hesitation (e.g. Artest, Burress, KOBE BRYANT, TIGER WOODS??).

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That is also professional sports vs. the example here of college sports (unless I am reading it wrong). I think that if you throw money and endorsements and fame at anyone it can turn them bad (and we could go back and forth all day naming certain athletes that are good and certain that are bad), but for arguments sake, sticking to the example above, I don't think his competitiveness makes him a bad person. I would say I know about 50 Division 1 athletes on a personal level ranging from basketball and football players to squash and rowing athletes and while my experience may be an exception, as a whole, they are some of the best, most responsible people I know. I would argue that the god-like status puts athletes in the spotlight 24/7 and makes them more accountable for their character.

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I just graduated after participating in a Division III Swimming program for 4 years and now coach a different team.

The benefits of sport really depends on the program. Good athletic programs give student athletes a support system that will help them develop while at college.

The most successful programs will create friendships among the athletes, giving underclassmen a great avenue to bond with upperclassmen. If the athletic program is led correctly, the upperclassmen and the coach will teach their teammates how to succeed in the classroom and in athletics.

Does that count as building character?

Nathan seems like a great guy. He's challenging his teammate to improve, which doesn't sit well with some people. Nathan should learn to be friendlier with teammates though.

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  • Jake Teeny 3 months ago I think you make a great comment ab...

I think you make a great comment about how the program itself can create bonds of friendship between guys that might not normally have it, but what about the other side-effects of being a college athlete? For instance, I go to a Division I school, and although we're not particularly known for our athletic talents, the players still believe they're as good as the best. This means, whenever they walk around campus they act as if everyone should worship them. Their arrogance almost gets to the point where you can literally smell it! While I understand there are benefits to playing college sports, do you think there are drawbacks that outweigh these advantages to play?

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  • Nathan Smith 3 months ago Drawbacks to participating in colle...

Drawbacks to participating in collegiate athletics vary from person to person. Some college students can't handle the stress of athletics on top of their coursework. It can also limit the amount of exploring a college student can undertake, since it is a large time commitment if your program is decent.

In regards to the arrogant athletes, I've seen plenty of entitled and arrogant students that did not participate in athletics. Besides, I think that is a discussion that should center around the amount of money and media attention given to Division I athletics, not whether athletics in general develop or hinder a student. For every arrogant scholarship athlete there are also many humble scholarship athletes and many more non-scholarship athletes who act just like normal students.

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Sports have the potential to build character in ways that regular education means can't. Teamwork, leadership, and even competitiveness are not only positive characteristics, but they help prepare the player for life in the real world. Even if Nathan doesn't pursue a professional career in basketball, these characteristics can serve him well in many professions.

I think college sports are a good influence, especially when programs stress good academic performance alongside athletic performance.

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  • Luke Decker 3 months ago I agree Ian. There certainly is a r...

I agree Ian. There certainly is a reason that athletes make some of the best Business executives and leaders: They know how to effectively lead, how to rally and work with a team of people, and how to be competitive with outside actors.

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(I am not in college) Were I king for a day I'd eliminate all sports from schools. Sports teaches nothing and wastes huge amounts of money that could be spent to teach students things that are worth while (music, math, science, writing skills, etc.). There should be no place at all for sports in schools.

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago Sports teach nothing? Wastes money?...

  • Jake Teeny 3 months ago I would be interested to know what ...

Sports teach nothing? Wastes money? Open your eyes!

I'm a current student at the University of Oregon and sports has done nothing but increase attendance and funding! Whether or not that is a good thing is a debate for another day.

As far as culture goes, the Super Bowl is a prime example of the relevance of sports in our lives. You may despise it, and you may laugh at the grown men in tights chasing a ball, but you MUST respect the influence and resources that flow through sports!

Back to the topic: It would be a stretch to call Nathan a leader, but he is balancing the role of student athlete wonderfully. He has a great work ethic, isn't afraid to criticize others when needed, while being a friend in the classroom. He is everything expected from a college athlete.

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  • Warner Todd Huston 3 months ago LOL, I don't have to "res...

LOL, I don't have to "respect" anything. Sure I understand that it means big money. But since when did something that brought in money mean it is necessarily a good thing? The porn industry is a multi-billion dollar industry too. But is it a good thing? As to your claim that sports brings money to universities, sure that's true. And it nearly all gets wasted back in the sports dept. while the academic departments often scrape for funding. Sorry, but your point is lost on me there.

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago You "understand that it means ...

You "understand that it means big money." I would count that as respecting it for as a capitalistic enterprise. I'm not saying that bringing in money is a good thing ("debate for another day" etc) just it does not WASTE money that is donated solely for a sporting purpose.

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I would be interested to know what you mean by "teaches nothing." As others have posted above, there do seem to be elements of camaraderie, dedication, and hard work instilled in the athlete. While I may agree with you that sports have become too emphasized within schools, don't you feel it's a little extreme to say students don't learn anything from in it?

Furthermore, if you believe in Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences (or more simply if you believe that some people are more naturally talented at one thing than another), don't you think that those who struggle with music or math or writing, but excel in activities such as sports, should be given the opportunity to develop and learn through this other medium?

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  • Warner Todd Huston 3 months ago I do not believe the conventional w...

I do not believe the conventional wisdom that team sports "teaches" the things those above claim it does. What sports really teaches is this: if you aren't the star you are nothing. I hold singular sports (sports for one like marathons or whatever) in a different light. Those can help teach "dedication." Team sports, however, don't teach anything. Like I said, sports outside of school is fine by me. But wasting money on sports that could go to teach useful things is a crime. School should be for the mind. Period.

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  • Emory Babb 3 months ago Despite what you may think, even te...

  • Warner Todd Huston 3 months ago "Old fashioned"?? That is...

  • Emory Babb 3 months ago "Old fashioned" may have ...

Despite what you may think, even team sports are for the mind. Not only can sports (of any form) provide a healthy outlet for stress and aggression, but there is definitely an intelligence aspect to sports. It may not be conventional intelligence, but it nonetheless exists.

As for your "aren't the star, you are nothing" comment: I have been playing school sports all of my life. I have been good, even great at some, but I was NEVER the star. It encouraged me to work harder and to strive to be better at the game, not that I was "nothing."

How is playing through sore muscles and exhaustion in the final minutes of a basketball or football game not dedicated? They are team sports and require dedication as well.

Your argument is convoluted and old-fashioned.

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"Old fashioned"?? That is a pretty senseless charge there. I realize, of course, that I am in the minority opinion on sports, for sure.

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"Old fashioned" may have been a bit off base, my apologies.

I am not arguing that the money that goes into sports could not be better spent elsewhere like funding education, fighting poverty or wars, etc (Note: the same goes for the bloated entertainment industry here in the US). However, as people are tragically more willing to fund sports than education, it needs to be recognized that there are some benefits from sports as well as tremendous influence from figures in the sporting world (I have no choice but to invoke T*m T*bow and J*remy L*n).

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