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Health Care Law is Unconstitutional

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Why the Health Care Law is Unconstitutional

Why the Health Care Law is Unconstitutional

Congress has limited, enumerated powers under the Constitution. One of those is to regulate interstate commerce, which means ensuring that commerce flows easily between the states. Although the Supreme Court has expanded that regulatory authority to reach local economic activity that, in the aggregate, has a “substantial effect on interstate commerce,” Congress still lacks the power to compel citizens to enter into commerce for the purposes of regulating them — which is what the Affordable Care Act’s “individual mandate” does. Moreover, the penalty for not complying with the mandate is not a tax and, if it is, it is an unconstitutional one because it is not apportioned by population. That point is especially noteworthy because the individual mandate was passed in part to avoid the political accountability that raising taxes would have brought.

Those are my claims. But I’m going to concentrate my initial thoughts in the clouds, so to speak, rather than the weeds. I begin with a crucial point: Enforcing limits on governmental power — especially Congress’s commerce power — is not and never has been about discovering limits to the power. Instead, it is about defining and enforcing those limits. Since the landmark commerce power cases of the late ’30s and early ’40s, however, the Supreme Court has largely treated the limits on federal power as detectable rather than definable. Those cases looked at our system of commerce as a pond and Congress’s power as extending over the ripples caused by disturbances on the surface. And if the effects of a single water bug or pebble were not detectable enough, we were told to imagine the combined effects of all those water bugs or pebbles.

That theory differs from how the Court looked at the commerce power before the New Deal, when Congress’s power was limited by type, rather than degree. In other words, activities such as “manufacturing” were deemed off-limits to Congress not by virtue of the effects they had on interstate commerce — the ripples in the pond — but by virtue of the type of thing it was. Even though it produced items for commerce, manufacturing was local in nature, so Congress had no power to regulate it. Thus limits were articulated, rather than discovered.

Although many people thought that the Supreme Court abandoned this line of thinking during the New Deal, the Court reaffirmed that type-versus-degree distinction in the 1995 case of United States v. Lopez (followed in 2000 by another similar case). In Lopez, the Court struck down the Gun-Free School Zone Act not because guns in school zones don’t cause sufficient ripples in the national commercial pond, but because a gun law is fundamentally different from a commercial regulation. Indeed, the Framers knew that, if conceived broadly enough, everything has an effect on commerce. The ripples in the pond can affect the sand on the shore and even the animals on the land. Unless a distinction is drawn between the sand and the water — or, to leave that analogy, between buying something and not buying something — Congress’s power is unlimited.

With the individual mandate, we also distinguish power by kind, rather than degree. Not only is the decision not to buy insurance not commerce, the idea that such a decision falls under Congress’s regulatory authority because it affects commerce is dangerous precisely because it is correct: of course decisions not to buy something affect commerce (indeed, any decision, action, or inaction ultimately affects commerce). Giving the government the power to regulate those decisions removes all limits on federal power.

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Lawrence,

I don't have a problem at all paying for insurance. In fact, I see insurance a great protection to have in the event of unexpected events. Let's face it, life does interrupt lives with the unexpected and I find it comforting to know I have already paid for a large portion of expenses. To me, it is a safety measure. However, I want to pay for me --- not everyone else. If insurance was affordable as it was not too long ago - everyone could afford it. I definitely don't want to pay for people who should not even be here. That is where one of the largest cost factors stems from.

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Congratulations on all your accomplishments Lawrence! I am sure it was quite a struggle for you and your family in many ways but you think of the incredible legacy you are leaving your native nation.You truly are a role model.

You mention the substandard circumstances in which you overcame your difficulties. Herein lies my argument. You and your family owned your responsibilities and in spite of your treatment over generations-you rose above them and are moving on.

We as a nation need to stop catering to everyone else and focus on our nation; start helping and stop enabling! Enabling simply gives lazy people excuses as to why they are where they are. We have become a nation of enabling. Good luck.

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Hi Guys, I have found this debate informative and enjoy the varied points of view. However, I am wondering if we are getting too far off the track here. We are going from the legal issue of a law and who it will and will not hold include - to covert action.....

Just a thought.

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Michael,
Hate to burst your bubble but - illegals do receive benefit via their children.Benefits; reduced housing,healthcare,food stamps. Children are the new meal ticket for many different people. The more you have the more $$ the gov't. gives.

Re: E-verify and Colorado. CO is among the states that requires public contractors and state agencies to use e-verify. However, while Hickenlopper was Mayor he made Denver a sanctuary city for illegals. Restaurants love them because they can pay them under the table.Almost impossible to find an english speaking construction worker. Construction workers; spanish speaking.

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I disagree with Chemerinsky.Paying for everyone is not affordable.Interesing how gov't quickly looks to the same group; legal citizens to carry all burdens. The main problem with health & auto insurance are the same. People no longer pay for them & their families in either case. Real issue goes unaddressed; appoximately 25 mil illegals in this country receiving free health care, social security,... We pay for young- both illegal & legal- females to have babies we pay for. The legacy needs to end. Hospital costs soared b/c of illegals rights to sue for misdiagnosis. Go to any ER in any hospital & watch the payment process. Why not charge illegals for their inactivity to be responsible? Car insurance involves paying for uninsured.

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  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago Citz&NonCitz(legals) have IM.Rs...

Citz&NonCitz(legals) have IM.Rs DIDN'T WANT ILLEGALS TO BE ADDRESSED in the ACA 2010.We could easily have included them in the IM, but Rs refused to.Illegals pay SS premiums if they work;its automatically deducted but they can't get any benefits from SSA w/out valid SSN.Do you believe in birth control?80% of preg are not planned.Why are Rs so opposed to educ&prov birth control if u're so concerned about unwanted babies?

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  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Michael, I could care less what ...

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Michael,

I could care less what Republicans want as I'm true independent. They, like the Democrats lost me long ago with their partisanship and special interest pandering. As to illegals paying SS but no benefit, they shouldn't have a job to pay SS or be in this country. They are called illegals for a reason - they are here illegally. If Obama would fulfill his duty instead of not only ignoring but instructing obstruction of this duty (case for impeachment), then we wouldn't have this problem.

Obamacare (ACA) is pure heresy against the citizens of the US through forcing purchase of insurance. If the government wants to encourage purchase of insurance by all, then give a refundable tax credit to all who file not a mandate.

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  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago Your legislative reps are Rs & ...

  • Kathleen Quinn 4 months ago Ben, I'm in complete agreement...

  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Actually I have two senators one de...

Your legislative reps are Rs & there the ones that didn't include illegals in IM which is what I was reponding to in KQ's post.Obama has deported more illegals than Bush@comparable timeline.Additionally, Obama doesn't hire the illegals they're hired by local business people.If you don't like Biz hiring illegals make them use E-Verify but don't blame Obama!Govt subsidies for those who can't afford HC ins is part of ACA.

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Ben, I'm in complete agreement with your points of observation and I'm also an independent. I strongly agree with your point for impeachment. Quite a number of people wonder why he never was impeached.

I appreciate your view of forced insurance.

What I find most disturbing is: our government feels they have the right to force americans to do-pay- for something (actually everyone and everything) while they do not impose the same force on people coming into our country?

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Actually I have two senators one democratic and one republican. My congressman is democratic. I agreed (and gave a mic) to the facts presented. Use E-Verify (good!) and make employers do it (soon hopefully). Then fine the one's who are caught employing illegals (rarely under Obama). Obama is so much better than Bush (who I also didn't think was a true Rep ) in expelling illegals but less in others such as blocking cooperation (Arizona) and blocking enforcement of detaining and deporting illegals (impeachable offense on his part). We should also be able to require business owners to show proof of legality in order to obtain business licenses but Obama fights this also. In fact, ICE may be deporting more but the Justice Dept is hindering.

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I'm sorry that I was confused about what state you hail;thought it was AL.I think Obama has more power over ICE than Justice.Justice has allot more independence to the bane of many POTUSs.I don't know what you mean about AZ.Most Biz lic are acquired be4 Biz hires;E-Verify is foolproof&if employer req to use & don't you can assume that hiring the illegals was premeditated, ergo easily charge w/stiffer penalties;big fines/jail.

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(I was born in Ala). My comment on AZ has to do with the Justice Department to shut down a sheriff's office because they were disproportionately arresting illegal aliens. This in a state that has a chronic problem with illegal immigration. The people arrested had broken local laws first then they determined if they were illegal. Homeland Sec kept them from being able to even find out if a person arrested on criminal charges was illegal or not. That departmental intersection belongs solely to Obama. In NC, you can't find a roofing worker who doesn't speak Spanish - contrary to 10 yrs ago and most are illegal. In Ala, the JD sued to injunction the entire bill including determine legal status for a business license. Obama's hands are not clean

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Is it heresy to have to buy auto insurance too?

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Lawrence,

The concepts perhaps are at first difficult to grasp but once grasped they become simple. You asked about auto insurance. If it is possible for there to be an ins co that only writes in one state and has a customer in one state the Fed's should have nothing to do with it. Now, let's take Allstate - they write multiple states - then there is interstate commerce and yes then the Fed's have a right but couldn't make a rule that applies to ALL ins co because of the first example. Hope that helps.

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Michael, I have no idea what IM stands for. I want to Thank You for pointing out the crux of my issue: that illegals were allowed to be excluded from the act. That exclusion is in itself discriminatory. My point exactly. If you truly belief illegals receive no benefits you are have been ill informed. As I said-visit any major hospital and follow the billing process. Re: SSN; the highest rate of SSN ID theft is among the latino population. Birth Control: have as many as they want just not here at taxpayer expense. RE: opposition to educ&providing birth control; a federally funded program founded by women began decades ago. It's called Planned Parenthood. Bottom line: THEY ARE ILLEGAL. They are draining this nation on every level.

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  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago I appreciate all that you said (IM=...

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I appreciate all that you said (IM=individual mandate).If illegals were included on IM there would be no problem w/hospitals collecting.You can't get SS benefits w/forged SSN.You can fool some employers,but if you force every employer to use E-verify(the same info they use to deny illegals SS benefits)they're forged SSN wouldn't work.Unscrupulous Biz are the ones that want to hire illegals;not Obama;not Me; not You.Does CO have an E-Verify law?

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Michael,

How do you collect the individual mandate penalty (assuming they didn't purchase insurance) from someone who doesn't file an income tax return and isn't know to exist in this country (they are here illegally)? Basically you can't. If they worked under a stolen or made up SS number they aren't entitled to the refund as that is not their SS#. They cannot obtain a legal SS# because they are not in the country with a legal right to work. Hence, they are invisible and illegal. There is no way to collect the mandate unless you say pay before you give medical treatment which is not the right way to do any of this. Solution - get rid of illegals and we wouldn't have the drain on the economy, health care, schools, insurance, etc.

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On Planned Parenthood: they're a great program;Margaret Sanger is one of my herors.But the Rs are defunding them nationally&locally.And Rs are passing draconian laws that are driving PP out of business;things like you have to have so much square footage devoted to treatment rooms, even when that space isn't available in hospitals.OBAMA IS DEPORTING MORE THAN BUSH. If CO requires E-Verify they'd all go home b/c no work here.

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Michael,

We are in agreement on Planned Parenthood and the R's are out in "god's" country right field on that one. Education is always the key to lower unplanned abortions. I have been debating the right to life of both a fetus (when they have viability of life) but also that of the female to choose (up to the point of viability of the fetus). So, as you see, I'm not R nor D as stated. I try to look at things independently and use the constitution along with my conscious as my guide in what is my business concerning another (none if it doesn't affect me). But, one point which Gingrich made (lowest of R's but was right) that the government forced the Catholic adoption agency's out of business. Obama is out of control acting like a king.

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It's moot to discuss how we would enforce illegals IM b/c they were excluded from the ACA.As I said previously, enforce E-Verify and all the illegals go home.Give someone that doesn't use or violated E-Verify 20yrs in prison and you probably wouldn't even have to hunt down the violators.If it was worthwhile, the justice system could use E-Verify "rejections" to track down employers to see if they hired the person even though they were rejected.

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I don't know the Hx of RC agency but it prob had2due with lack of tithing in the pews.I'm not trying to pigeon hole, I'm pointing out my views of the political landscape and how they differ from yours. We're both ind, but the prob is all the elected officials in govt aren't.I don't think anything Obama has done would constitute "high crimes," whereas, W lied to get us into a war--he should have been impeached.

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You won't find me disagreeing with you or on most of GWB's antics. But Obama has fallen in step as though he was Bush's own son on foreign policy and warmongering. A High Crime would be using the armed services as commander in chief to make war against another nation (Libya) without approval of congress against the constitution as one example (lock step with GWB for Iraq which you pointed out was an unjust war and as to lying - how about no innocent civilians were killed by our bombs and being appalled - refusing- an investigation).

The issue with the adoption agencies is that the Church would not accept gays as parents. Obama therefore ended their adoption agency capabilities on the basis of discrimination. Obama is the worst of all POTUS

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Obama didn't want to get involved in Libya but the Rs beat the drums so hard that he had to support the rebels and the least invasive/lowest cost was NATO air support.I support his restraint considering all the warmongering from McCain,Lieberman&Graham.If that is why Obama ended their funding then I wholeheartedly agree with him.LGBTs have proven that they are capable parents and federal funds shouldn't go to anyone who discriminates.

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So your saying that a D POTUS bows to the wishes of the R's without getting anything in return? Sorry, don't buy it. He acted as a king and declared war unilaterally. Only Congress can declare war (constitution). And NATO, give me a break - we are NATO except for token support from the rest though France did play a sizable role in the war in Libya due to historical connection. No disagreement with all the warmongers in Congress. But the warmongering started long ago with undeclared wars.Even Carter started the conflict in Afghanistan aka Charlie Wilson's war funding the Taliban.

BS on the discrimination - each charity can spend money as they please. Some can serve gays and some married couples. There are more than enough orphans.

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You know what really erks me on this "discrimination" is I've been discriminated all my life by the government, blacks, and others who cry for their rights as mine have been taken away. College scholarships, job quotas and now I'm in a gov job where everyone but me is a minority and 4 layers of managers up - only minorities. My chances for a job promotion - zero. Who does the work when the chips are down they come running to me. When the managers don't know what to do or how to make a project schedule or budget - me. I'm so sick of political correctness I could puke. NAACP - yeah, and if there was a NAAWP there would be a cry to high heaven about racism. I live in a mixed neighborhood where I am the minority (no problem and I like them).

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Ben, I mean you no disrespect whatsoever. But its hard to shed a tear for the recipient of white privilege, even if he or she doesn't realize the inherent advantages of being born white. Here's a little perspective for you. I was taken from my family because of my race as part of longstanding government policies to kill the Indian. I had it beaten into me that I was less and descended from a long line of those who were less. My culture, spirituality, and language was denied me, actually outlawed for a period of time, and equated to being evil. My community has the highest percentages of heart disease and diabetes directly related to government policies. The average lifespan of an Indian male is 47 years. I could say much more, but space....

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I seek not sympathy but understanding for others that reverse discrimination is just another form of discrimination.

Life's not fair. My sympathies go out to all who are discriminated and especially to you for your history. I'm 1/4 Cherokee. My privilege was of being loved & given respect for myself from my grandmother. I have literally not had a penny to my name and grew up under the poverty line yet didn't realize it until later. As a child the beatings I received were from B&W and others as I was mocked and slurred yet hold no grudge as all races are capable of such things. Yet, that stopped when I no longer allowed it. I am of hard study and work earning everything I have without regret, apology, excuse, or pride - just the facts.

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IWBNI deterministic world u envision.I don't have any idea what POTUS got fm Rs,but if he got anything it was allot of grief even after he supported the rebels.Rs still crucified him4 2L2L support.I wouldn't call Libya a war.But if want to get technical, NATO can act w/out US congress--part of the treaty.Fm GeoWI POTUS has conducted espionage&COVERT action.U CAN DISCRIMINATE IF YOU FORGO FED FUNDS!Feel sorry4kids but read Acts 10God luvs LGBTs.

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Lawrence, Thank you for your honest input. I completely understand and hear what your are saying. I have read several native american books and I also watched documentaries regarding the disgraceful treatment of these wonderful native culture. What you say is 100% percent true. My hopes would be for the american indian for redefine his heritage. Are your famiilar that native american tribes are relearning and reclaiming their native language?

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Ben, I agree with your view of discrimination. But as people became more educated they began to realize where this all began----the government itself. When they get older most people realize how poor -or - not in the money-they really were. Funny part is, no one regrets it because they still had pride & values. Those were where their true wealth was; in their heritage.

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Thank you Kathleen. God is great and has given me the grace to survive thus far. I am the first in my family to graduate high school and obtain a college education. I am the first in three generations to speak my father's people's language. The ethno-regenesis for Indian people continues, but much has been and is still being lost. The American Indian awakening, begun by the Red Power Movement, The American Indian Movement, United Native Americans, and others was a new beginning for many of us. While education, health care, justice and other aspects of our lives remain extremely substandard, we are slowly emerging from the shadows of five hundred years of colonization and genocide.

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I don’t understand why the administration is even going the “commerce” route on this.
The argument that Congress cannot regulate inactivity does not stand up in court – literally. Failure to answer a jury summons, a subpoena, a demand under the discovery process – all forms of inactivity in response to a government demand under the law – can lead to fines on people (animate and inanimate) and even imprisonment for individuals. Also, activity under these demands all force people into involuntary expenditure and costs of some sort or other.
Universal healthcare is arguably just as important to the welfare of society as universal justice. Both should have access to the same powers of persuasion or, if you prefer, coercion.

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Anthony, the reason the activity/inactivity distinction has never been raised is because Congress had never, in the history of our nation, passed a law under the Commerce Clause asserting that inactivity amounted to interstate commerse. If inactivity in the collective can be found to have an impact on interstate commerce, sufficent to warrant federal regulation, there is no cognizable limit to Congressional power.

Finally, how is the activity/inactivity distinction "illusory" as you claim? Seems pretty basic. A 5 year old can tell you the difference.

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  • Anthony Kammer 4 months ago These points have been made previou...

These points have been made previously, but a few things:

The issue is whether *Congress* was irrational in concluding it substantially impacts commerce. There are libertarian ideas in the Constitution, but for courts to read them into the CC is an effort to revive an anti-regulatory hammer last seen when an obstructionist Court wanted to stop the New Deal. Both as a constitutional and a political manner, the reach of the CC has been resolved before. If the bill is struck, nobody will be fooled into believing it was not politically motivated.

The bill has an alternate constitutional justification under the tax power and has been upheld on that ground. The gov can incidentally force you to pay taxes, even if you're at home doing nothing.

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  • Anthony Kammer 4 months ago (cont) Almost nobody avoids needing...

  • Gary W. Patterson, Jr. 4 months ago The ACA itself states that the Cons...

(cont) Almost nobody avoids needing medical services eventually. Most ppl are born into hospitals. Doctors are legally required to care for ppl if they show up at ERs. If anything, the question is one of timing. If a majority elects to mandate insurance so a 5 year old gets treated, you might not like the burden, but that doesn't stretch the CC.

Activity vs inactivity is a question of framing. If you ask whether the individual mandate substantially impacts markets in healthcare, the answer is an obvious yes. CC jurisprudence is filled with this frame of reference. See Wickard, Raich. Doesn’t a prohibition on murder also impose a legal duty on people before they have acted? It’s illusory because “activity” can’t draw a stable distinction.

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  • Gary W. Patterson, Jr. 4 months ago While I would agree that most every...

  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Anthony, I have some libertarian...

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While I would agree that most everyone eventually seeks medical care. Obviously seeking medical care can be considered commercial activity, maybe not interstate commercial activity, but at least an argument could be made. Not buying a private good, i.e. health insurance, isn't commercial activity. It has absolutely no impact on interstate commerce UNTIL a person w/ no insurance seeks care and then doesn't pay for it.

You would have to agree that upholding the ACA is an expansion of Wickard and Raich. As you suggest above, if the ACA is upheld, there will be no limit to Congressional power under the CC. While you seem to think this is desirable, I would suggest it is a path to tyranny; A path our founders wisely sought to prevent.

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Anthony,

I have some libertarian views but am independent. Regardless, the constitution is under direct assault. The root of all the problems lie in lack of checks and balances of the constitution.

The activist approach many jurists have taken unchecked has increased. The premise that a jurist can create and execute law from one branch of government is a true assault against the constitution ongoing with no challenge. The administration is doing the same thing with the NDAA provision aimed at citizens.

Now the Congress passed a mandate on inactivity of a commercial activity and arguing it is interstate commerce regardless if the person never leaves the state they reside or if the insurance company is not a multi-state insurance company.

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The view that it the mandate effects the market and thus interstate commerce cannot be held to be a viable argument because almost anything that congress passes effects the stock market in general or a specific industry and thus market for their goods and services directly. This line of reasoning abolishes state rights and individual rights supposed guaranteed by the constitution if not slowly in inevitability.

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The ACA itself states that the Constitutional authority for the act lies within the CC.

Any revenue generated secondary to the mandate penalty is purely incidental. If the penalty for non-compliance were to achieve the desired result, no revenue would be garnered. Congress’ power to exact a penalty is more constrained than its taxing authority because it must be in aid of an enumerated power. Sunshine v. Anthracite Coal Co. Congress cannot regulate through taxation that which it cannot otherwise regulate. Bailey v. Drexel Furniture. Since Congress does not have the power to regulate inactivity, it also lacks the power to penalize individuals for the very same inactivity.

I would also note that Obama denied the mandate was a tax.

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Chemerinsky belief: If there is a substantial effect on interstate commerce, Congress may regulate economic activity.

I disagree. A claim that inactivity is activity is indefinite and dangerous. Everyone experiences weather. May the government compel us to insure against it? Lopez will be replaced.

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I don't really think anyone is really against health insurance...they're just opposed to paying for it. Those who do not carry insurance get their emergency health care from our hospital emergency rooms whether they ever pay the bill for those services or not. So for all intents and purposes this is already defacto (although ridiculously expensive and inefficent) health insurance and many pay nothing for. And I think that is the real issue.

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The 16th Amendment allows a direct tax on wages, salaries, commissions, etc. without apportionment. The individual mandate penalty is imposed and collected under the Internal Revenue Code, and people must report it on their tax returns as an addition to income tax liability. The statutory label of "penalty" doesn't matter. The constitutionality of a tax law depends on its practical operation, not the precise form of words used to describe it.

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It's interesting how people will pull out everything to oppose this bill. From a social stand point health insurance for everybody would be very productive. This bill will likely help dramatically reduce the amount of people that are uninsured. A society will be judged by how capable it's members are to have access to things such as healthcare and jobs. Therefore, the social aspects of this bill should be on an equal level with the economic ones

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  • Gary W. Patterson, Jr. 4 months ago The merits of the bill is really be...

The merits of the bill is really beside the point. I believe it will be a disaster, but I am much more concerned with the precedent this law will set if upheld. There will be virtually no limit to Congressional power under the COmmerce clause.

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Excellent article. However, I believe this goes further into our country's history than just activist judicial rulings of the New Deal era back to Federalists and anti-Federalists that prompted our Bill of Rights. Our rights are being eroded on a daily basis. States rights are being eroded. We are a Republic not a pure Democracy for fundamental reasons. The "ripple" principle is an exercise in bending the truth to fit a desired outcome. Tax and give benefits to fund a social program but not force individuals into commerce. To do otherwise is a slippery slope towards full control over our lives

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I agree with the point that the US is not a pure Democracy and that our Constitution is built around the Madisonian insight that power should be divided both among the branches and along the state-federal dimension as a check against concentrated power.

I am skeptical that the Commerce Clause is the proper provision for this fight. The CC was a major federalist battleground in the Lochner era, and attempts to draw a line to preserve the Republican form of government failed repeatedly. By using the CC in this way, the Court would be reopening resolved political fights, and there's little doubt it would be read as a power grab. A better solution if you don't like the bill is to seek repeal, not to weaken the majority's ability to pass laws.

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I don't necessarily dislike the concept of healthcare. I abhor the slippery slope of legislated personal mandates. I agree that the Commerce Clause is far outweighed in judicial activism and not the proper vehicle. But, reversing previous SC decisions is not without precedent though generally frowned upon by most of the court.. But repeal would still leave a horrendous precedent on the books. I have no say nor do any American's in this fight except those who sit on the court. To pass a constitutional amendment is a battle lost due to the power the current court has given special interests.

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I don't think you would upset precedent in the least by striking the individual mandate. The mandate is an unprecedented exercise of federal power. Never before has pure inactivity been found to be interstate commerce subject to Congressional regulation.

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I've read these words be4.I see states eroding individual rights;not feds.Govt can make u buy car ins;feds can make u buy car ins if you drive across state lines;feds can make u buy HC ins.Most conservative Jurist on DC sez it's constitutional.

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True - and those who don't wish to live in states which impinge upon their rights can move to another state still under the freedom of our constitution. In this way states can compete against one another. When close to retirement, state taxation becomes a motivator to move if you live in a high tax state or unfriendly retirement state. As to what a jurist in DC thinks who is not a member of the Supreme Court, I could care less for that is the last place I would want to live. Besides are there any conservative Jurists in DC? A conservative who really has their home in DC sounds like an oxymoron

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You're pretty ignorant on this issue-DC FedAppealsCrt&the Judge,Laurence Silberman, a leading conservative jurist appointed by Reagan. He's a conservative's conservative- mbr Federalist Society&on the short Reagan&Bush's short list for SC; W. awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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I was being sarcastic not point in fact. You are correct that many who hold lifetime appointments live in DC both conservative and liberal. But it is the very fact of describing a Jurist in political terms that degrades the office when they are appointed to interpret the law in legal context and constitutionality not on political ideological merits. I am no more for a conservative Jurist than a liberal one as I am opposed to both. Arguments for strict constitutionality verses the spirit of the law have merit. An activist jurist is of the lowest order in grabbing judicial power creating law.

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Why did you make me waste my 300 char? I don't think anyone would accuse Silberman of being an activist Judge.Jursists are desc in pol terms b/c they are pol appt&/or elected for their pol views as well as their legal prowess.And in the case of Silberman his bona fides deflates any claim of lib bias

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1) The federal gov't doesn't force you to buy car insurance. The states do.

2) Even if it were the feds requiring auto insurance it would be easily distinuishable from the individual mandate. Once you buy a car, you are engaging in a commercial activity, and thus subject to regulation. Moreover, driving is a privilege granted by the state, and again, subject to regulation.

The individual mandate forces all of us to purchase a private good as a condition of citizenship.

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Before you take your first breath, you are already consuming health care svcs.Everyone that breathes is a consumer and the services are provided across state line.Feds do get involved in interstate transportation-trucking,airlines.Don't get inv in autos b/c states cover suff.Noncitz also subj ACA!

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The question isn't whether seeking medical care is commercial activity. Clearly it is. The question is whether deciding not to buy health insurance is commercial activity, subject to regulation. This is a completely novel concept. Congress has never used the Commerce Clause to regulate pure inactivity. NEVER in the history of our nation. There isn't one example.

Of course the feds regulate interstate transporation; trucking/airlines. The Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate INTERSTATE COMMERCE. Sitting in my house, eating bon-bons, without the benefit of health insurance isn't interstate commerce, by any reasonable definition.

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Michael,

It may be hard for you to believe but people still have children without any medical care whatsoever except for a husband or midwife. They have been doing so for tens of thousands of years. The Christian Scientists would certainly take exception to being forced to buy health insurance because they believe in faith healing. They are not even a burden on society in terms of medical costs for the have none, Same is true of those who only believe in natural remedies. When you force your opinion on others "in the name of good" for them and force them to buy insurance, you automatically become a hypocrite by "stealing" their right to free choice and will. That is revoking their right to liberty.

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Feds could easily get inv in auto ins if states were doing as bad a job as they are w/ HCins.IM applies to cit&noncit alike.And it's based on the absolute certainty that everyone is going to encounter the HC industry.You can't opt out of polio,pertussis,flu,orsomeone hitting you w/their car.

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Michael, as I pointed out above, operating a car is at the very least a commercial activity, and thus subject to regulation. Deciding not to do something, even if that something happens to be commercial activity, is not in and of itself commercial activity.

Even if a person seeks medical care, that act has absolutely no effect on interstate commerce, so long as the bill is paid. Just b/c you don't have health insurance, doesn't automatically mean that the bill isn't paid. Many people pay out of pocket.

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CS do end up in the hosp&use med care.It's hard to "faith heal" ICP fm MVC.Indeed there are many court cases where children of CSs have been given med care against Ps permission--who pays for that.Many homebirths end up in hosp d/t complications of mother&/orbaby.If u get hit by a truck u'll end up in the hosp&accept med care or morgue if you rely only on natural healing.Further,if CS child gets pertussis d/t no vaccine they will go to ED or die.

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No but eating bon-bons in ur cuz's Atlanta home&you choke req med care is interstate commerce.

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But that isn't the question. I would agree that seeking medical care is commercial activity. However, the ACA regulates the failure to buy a good (health insurance). Never in the history of our nation has the gov't attempted to regulate the failure to act under the Commerce Clause.

Having no insurance has ABSOLUTELY no effect on interstate commerce UNTIL a person w/o health insurance seeks medical care AND then fails fails to pay for their services.

Again, if the ACA is upheld, there will be NO limit to Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause. The author of the article above actually suggests it already has not limit. You and others may like this bill, but you might not like the ones to follow in the future.

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Michael,

I am not in any of the categories listed (CS, natural healing, etc). But, I respect their right though I believe them to be ignorant of modern medicine. The cases you site of the children have to do with the state coming to the rescue. I do support that due to the fact the children should not be forced to die when a remedy is available. The state has a duty and are paid taxes to enable that duty. But I support adult CS in the right to their beliefs no matter how much I disagree with them. As to them ending up killing themselves out of refusal of treatment, I also support an adults right to refuse help. It is not anyone's right to force adults what to do with their bodies.

None of the above forces anyone to purchase insurance.

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You just made the same argument that Silberman did on the DC court!

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I never said that I forced anyone to accept med care;I said that those "categories" seek help themselves when it's a medical emergency.And relieving them of IM because of their "low probability" of using their HC ins has no more traction than allowing an 18yo athlete who's never had a sick day in his/her life to opt out of the IM.

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I am sorry I don't have you're faith in the benevolence of our elected leaders; present and future. Like our founders, I fear a gov't unrestrained by the Constitution. If the ACA is upheld, there is virtually no limit to Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause. The author of the article, Anthony Kremmer, a Harvard Law grad, has already indicated he believes there is no limit to Congressional power under the Commerce Clause. Truly frightening.

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Why yes Michael, I agree except "traction" as the ACA has no traction due to a mandate. There is a right way and a wrong way to do legislation. The democrats and Obama (who taught constitutional law) knew this. Then why do you suppose they chose the personal mandate route via the CC? Because they knew if they passed it and it stood in court that they would have unlimited ability to do personal mandates - basically taxation by fiat of personal mandates with the full weight of the IRS (guilty until proven innocent) collection. Obama then appoints a new Chief Justice. Its not a conspiracy it is a plan. You say you're not Democratic and obviously not Republican. You should be afraid - very afraid of this legislation being allowed to stand.

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Micahel,

How is eating bon-bons (bought from France?) and choking on them (basically any accident) related to interstate commerce? The CC was established to promote interstate commerce between the states. The mental stretch that any framer intended the CC to be used as it is being debated is just not factual. Besides, anything that happens in a state (GA for example) is the business of that state (like eating bon-bons at your cousins house). The state can pass an individual mandate as did Massachusetts. Lobby your state and eschew the bon-bons better next time.

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We have to buy auto insurance, whats the difference? Oh, its the state, EVERY state mandating we buy auto insurance. Again, whats the difference. All this is, is a red herring. Those who are against health care reform are looking for ways to defeat it. The right has never ever supported health care reform and they never will. First Social Security was going to end life as we knew it, then medicare, medicaid, and now health care reform. Its all the same old regurgitated lies. Who cares if two thirds of our bankruptcies are caused by health care bills, who cares if 4,500 people a year die due to lack of health care. Who cares if one sickness or surgery bankrupts the majority of the country. Who cares, not the right.

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  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Lawrence, It is humorous for you to...

  • Gary W. Patterson, Jr. 4 months ago Lawrence, this is a discussion on t...

Lawrence, It is humorous for you to use the argument that those who are against the health care mandate provision are looking for ways to defeat it when those who support it must stretch imaginative powers to negate the constitution. Romneycare was a state issue. Obamcare is an over reach of Federal powers reserved to the states. Auto insurance is and should be a state issue. Your reference to Social Security is mute because it is a tax funded benefit. The Federal government can tax and give benefits. The healthcare mandate is not a tax funded benefit.

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  • Lawrence Sampson 4 months ago the Constitutional argument is all ...

the Constitutional argument is all over the map, for and against, and I'm no Constitutional scholar. The history of the right saying anything and everything to try and defeat health care reform is long and well documented. Should we recall Reagan's greatest hits record that made completely false claims-many of the same ones made about the new law? The fact is we're headed for Universal health care. Its the right thing to do morally and economically.

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  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Morality always will be in the eye ...

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  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Not convoluted in Greece. It is obv...

Morality always will be in the eye of the beholder whether that be from the religious right or extreme left with all points in between. To help others is noble unless in doing so it creates as many or more problems than it solves. A practical progressive (aka realist) helps others to the extent of their ability. To go beyond is to harm themselves and thus become part of the problem or a greater burden. The socialist nations are in decline faster than the US. But that is not this debate. To go down the road of personal mandates is to walk the road of national slavery to the government.

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To go down the road of unnecessary bankruptcy and unnecessary death is to walk the road to misery. And whether your claim that "the socialist nations are in decline" is true or directly due to Universal health care is a little convoluted to me.

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Not convoluted in Greece. It is obvious. Nor is it convoluted in Italy or California for that mater. I believe in a social security net not a lifestyle that has been the downfall of families and inner cities. We had a safety net in requiring hospitals to take in the impoverished until they also had to take on illegals. Non profit hospitals are now all but extinct in NY. There is no such thing as a free lunch. To help in desperate situations is not to offer a lifestyle. Some require lifelong institutional care but alas that funding is cut in favor of a lifestyle for anyone wanting a handout.

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Lawrence, this is a discussion on the constitutionality of the ACA, not its merits. We'll save that for another day. With regard to your argument concerning auto insurance; apples and oranges. Auto insurance is mandated by the state, not the federal gov't. Contrary to your statement, that is no insignificant difference. The Constitution expressly lists the powers granted to the federal gov't. Those powers not enumerated are reserved to the states (10th Amendment).

Romneycare was constitutional b/c it was a state mandate, not a federal mandate. That's how our Constitutional form of federalism works.

There is no federal authority to force people to buy a private good as a condition of citizenship.

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The action/inaction distinction is a paradigm from the classical legal thought era of 19th century legal practice, it has in large part come to be viewed as utterly ridiculous. Choosing not to act and acting are no different. I could easily say after running into a vehicle that it is not my fault because I did not act by not pressing on the brake. Clearly, no one would buy that argument. The reason no one would buy that argument is because my lack of action hurt someone else. This is the essence of healthcare reform, individuals failure to get health insurance hurts many others by raising healthcare costs for all of us. Rather it is constitutional or not with the current SCOTUS depends on rather or not it is good for big business.

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What you propose as ridiculous is only aggravated by the absurdity of your example. Your example does not deal with interstate commerce. ALL rights by default go to the state if not enumerated to the Federal government (10th Amendment) or protected as to individual liberty - not to the Federal government. Traffic accidents are a state (local) issue through traffic laws. Your example holds no merit in a discussion of Federal powers. Thus, your post and point is mute.

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  • Edward Williams 4 months ago I was addressing the action/inactio...

I was addressing the action/inaction point that has been raised by judges who have struck down the healthcare mandate as an outdated jurisprudence. I raised a simple example to make my point easily understood, not because I believe car accidents are equivalent to healthcare reform. But on to your point, the real question at the heart of your argument is: Is healthcare/health insurance interstate commerce? Consider this: Over the break, as a Georgetown Law Student with DC health insurance, I travelled to Georgia, Florida, and Louisiana, if I had been injured, I would have used my DC insurance and received care in these various states in which I am not a citizen. So, if interstate means between states, then healthcare is interstate.

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I must again disagree with your example. Your insurance policy (state or rather DC regulated-DC is a situation all to itself) insured you in other states as part of their benefit package to encourage you to buy their insurance. I don't know of a state (some may exist) that makes a carrier cover you outside their state. Many insurance companies will cover you (limited) in other countries and some do not. Most insurance companies have reduced benefits or increased deductibles when out of their networked coverage area. Thus, again it is a state issue not interstate commerce. Regardless of travel.

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You just proved the point that HC&Ins is interstate commerce.If ins co doesn't cover you when you're in a different state that is a federal issue and congress and POTUS could make a law to force coverage while outside the state.

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Michael,

I don't follow your logic. If the coverage purchased in one state doesn't extend to another state that is the business of you, the consumer, and that of an insurer in determining the limits of the policy they are selling. The ins. Co. may offer a rider (upgrade) to cover their additional costs in providing this service through a co-insurer (correct term may be re-insurer) licenced in a different state. The co-insurer would be licensed and governed by the laws and regulations of the other state. The entire process may be transparent to the consumer. None of the above makes it a Federal issue. There is no interstate commerce involved between the consumer in one state and the co-insurer in the other state.

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Activity/inactivity is not some quaint notion of the past. Congress has never asserted the authority to regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. NEVER. IF this law is upheld, there will be no cognizable limit to Congressional authority under the CC.

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To say the individual mandate is constitutional because it will enormously impact interstate commerce is to put the cart before the horse. Even if you understand the Commerce Clause in the broadest possible terms--that the federal government has the power to regulate virtually every extant commercial activity under the sun--this by no means implies that the government can FORCE commerce between private citizens, which it shall THEN regulate. Whatever the court's ruling in Gonzales v. Raich and other cases affirming a broad interpretation of the Commerce Clause, the activities under consideration had already existed, and not at the behest of the (federal) government.

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Given the space limits, pardon any t00 succinct responses:

- The size of the market in dollar terms cannot grant Congress the power to regulate it by any means. The drug market is huge, but Congress could not attempt to regulate it by prohibiting anyone from talking about drugs. This would be a First Amendment violation, but the analysis would be similar. A right is an immunity to a power and citizens are immune from a power not granted.

- Cost-shifting is not inevitable. Here are ways to avoid cost-shifting: 1) be wealthy; 2) take out a loan; 3) borrow money from family members; 4) receive charity from a church; 5) pay in installments; 6) receive charitable care from the hospital itself. All of these were quite common at one point.

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  • Anthony Kammer 4 months ago Certainly the size of a market alon...

  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago Congress does&can regulate the ...

  • Erwin Chemerinsky 4 months ago Under post-1937 constitutional law,...

Certainly the size of a market alone does not give Congress the power to regulate by any means. But Congressional power under the CC is plenary except where it violates an enumerated constitutional provision. Unlike your hypothetical, there are no 1st Amendment or other constitutional issues at stake in this case.

Your cost-shifting point simply lists economic activities people can engage in to pay for medical care--all of which affect costs for the rest of the population. The legal test, as Prof. Chemerinsky pointed out, is whether Congress could rationally determine that either buying insurance or self-insuring as you described substantially related to commercial activity. That's an incredibly deferntial standard that's clearly met here.

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  • Ben Poole 4 months ago Anthony, I must take exception that...

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Anthony, I must take exception that personal financial transactions between individuals affect the general population. If I am not in the business to loan money, who I loan money to or not is my individual business and no Federal law applies (State laws do apply under certain situations, if applicable). I cannot be forced to loan my personal money to anyone. This includes discrimination laws (not part of discussion except in point to individual freedom). Thus your point is mute.

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Anthony, "Congressional power under the CC is plenary except where it violates an enumerated constitutional provision" Say what?!? That's ridiculous. Sure the SCOTUS has stretched the CC well beyond its original intent, but where do you get the idea that it has no limit in and of itself?

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Congress does&can regulate the drug market.There is no right preventing Govt fm forcing you to buy car ins,health ins.Hospitals no longer prov free care b/c of fed/state funding&the pernicious predatory policies,by forprofit hosp,against nonprofit hosp-policies that CATO prob applauded.

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Under post-1937 constitutional law, the Affordable Care Act is clearly within the scope of Congress’s commerce power. Mr. Burrus’ argument against the constitutionality of this law is essentially a call for a return to the long abandoned, discredited commerce clause jurisprudence of the Lochner era. Under current law, Congress can regulate under the commerce clause so long as it has a reasonable basis for believing that it is regulating economic activity that has a substantial effect on interstate commerce. As I argued in my earlier post, this test is clearly met when it comes to the individual mandate and the Affordable Care Act.

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  • Trevor Burrus 4 months ago My original post did not advocate f...

My original post did not advocate for a return to Lochner-era jurisprudence. Rather, it contained one simple point: an effects-measuring test will never put limits on Congress's commerce power. This was known during the Lochner era and before and opponents attacked as artificial the limits based on concepts such as "manufacturing." Well, in some sense they are artificial if you look at power only through an effects-test lens, but artificial rules limit and define power and delineate jurisdictions. This is an aspect of law. The statutory period of adverse possession, for example, is artificial. Yet, this was precisely the reasoning that guided Rehnquist's decision in Lopez. The type-degree distinction has been re-enforced, not abandoned.

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Mr. Burrus says that if the Affordable Care Act is upheld that will “remove all limits on federal power.” Allowing Congress to regulate a $2.5 trillion industry that affects everyone hardly means that Congress can regulate anything. Indeed, the cases that Mr. Burrus cites, such as United States v. Lopez and United States v. Morrison, show that there are matters outside the reach of the commerce clause under current jurisprudence.

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The federal government mandates economic transactions all the time. It requires hotels to rent and restaurants to see food to African-Americans even though they do not wish to do so. It prohibits economic transactions of all sorts. There is nothing inherently different about requiring a transaction from prohibiting one in terms of Congress’s commerce clause power.

If Congress wanted to, it surely could have raised taxes and provided health care for everyone. Likewise, Congress could do that, but allow those with their own health insurance to opt out. That is essentially exactly what Congress has done. A national problem requires a national solution and the health care crisis in the United States is a national crisis.

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  • Gary W. Patterson, Jr. 4 months ago Your first example is clearly disti...

Your first example is clearly distinguishable from the mandate. Hotels engage in commercial activity.

Having no health insurance is not activity. It's the opposite of activity. Only when/if a person seeks medical care, are they engaged in commercial activity. Moreover, lack of health insurance would only have an effect on commerce at large if the person with no health insurance is also unable to pay his bill.

Can you cite any examples in which Congress sought to regulate inactivity under the commerce clause in the history of our nation? I'll take one.

Finally, Congress could have done a lot of things; but they didn't. They passed the ACA. That's what this discussion is about.

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I am sorry, but you fail address the real cost shifting argument. There are strong academic studies showing the size and existence of these costs.

Your examples are only ways one can approach the problem differently, maybe even better. However, Congress can pick any solution, even a bad one.

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  • Trevor Burrus 4 months ago The cost-shifting examples I gave, ...

The cost-shifting examples I gave, or the lack of cost-shifting, addresses the point that going without health insurance is equivalent to cost-shifting your health care on to others. This point has been made here and elsewhere, yet it is clearly wrong to say they are 100% "equivalent," for the reasons I stated above. While Congress need not legislate with exactness, it also cannot hinge its power on an illusory "equivalence."

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  • Andrew Page 4 months ago Why is a 100% equivalence needed. ...

Why is a 100% equivalence needed. If there is large, measurable cost-shifting happening, how is PPACA off limits for congress.

As far as I know, the constitution does not limit congress to picking the best choice. Your post questions the wisdom of the law more than its constitutional legality.

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Right on. Let's hope there are enough votes to outmatch Alito and Thomas. Come to think of it, Clarence Thomas should excuse himself from the case with his wife being a lobbyist for the insurance industry.

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Legally, I find Prof. Chemerinsky's argument persuasive. Another way to put it might be to ask whether Congress could raise taxes on everyone in the country and then give a deduction or a refund to those who purchased insurance. As a constitutional question, I think such action would be allowed. This is just another way of putting Prof. C's argument that not buying insurance is acting -- it's choosing to self-insure, just as standing motionless as someone chokes is an action -- it's choosing not to help. Libertarians are right though that this bill is constitutionally legal bc modern jprudence gives Congress discretion

I do appreciate Mr. Burrus' point that taxing and then refunding would have really upset people.

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  • Sal Bommarito 4 months ago Jordon, I believe the demand of gov...

  • Trevor Burrus 4 months ago I agree that, under current law, Co...

Jordon, I believe the demand of government that all buy insurance is yet another intrusion into our lives. And, it's a tax increase for the middle class. All the legal mumbo jumbo aside, the federal government should not force citizens to buy a service they don't want. It is not the government's job to tell us what insurance protection we should have. If this kills Obamacare, so be it.

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I agree that, under current law, Congress could have passed this through taxation and distributed health insurance from the top, so to speak. Yet because they could have done this, the law is even more suspect. Why? Because taxation and wealth transfers are intended to be transparent to citizens. Article I, Sec. 7 says that revenue bills must begin in the House. This ensures that the body that taxed the people was also the closest to the people. Likewise, Art. I, Sec. 9 requires that a statement of accounts and receipts be published from time to time. Allowing wealth transfers through mandates encourages Congress to avoid the political fallout from taxation, just as they did in Obamacare. Once they're allowed to do this, expect more of it.

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  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago It's not wealth xfer to force ...

  • Michael Weiss 4 months ago MA 1792required "every able-bo...

It's not wealth xfer to force you to buy something needed to be responsible citizen or protect the public.Car ins,Bonding,malpractice ins,etc. are all req in some jur.And are req to do bus w/fed govt contracts.Indiv mandates go back to 1792 when GeoWashington signed Militias Act. (cont)

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MA 1792required "every able-bodied white male citizen to enroll in his state’s militia and mandated that he ‘provide himself’ with various goods for the common weal:with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch,with a box therein."

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TRICARE uses govt negotiated contracts with private ins companies. Reimbursement rates are tied to Medicare. Govt subsidizes and enrollees pay a reduced premium. By expanding and having employers pay what they are paying now for their company health plans (actually could be much less due to size) into the fund, the system may be cost-neutral, keep private ins comapnies but make it more competitive, and make health insurance affordable to everyone.

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The individual mandate is just one aspect of ACA. Even if the court stikes it, the rest of the act remains. Bottom line, healthcare in the US is broken. The percentage of our economy are stated above. Healthcare is the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in this country. That's inexcusable. ACA may not be the perfect solution. Its emphasis on wellness, fraud reduction, and recordkeeping are key to reducing costs. Hopefully tort reform can be added. I believe a better solution would be to use a system such as TRICARE as the base. (see next post for more)

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  • Anthony Kammer 4 months ago I absolutely agree with you that th...

I absolutely agree with you that there are better policy solutions out there and that something needs to introduce downward price pressure into the healthcare system. Of course, that doesn't diminish the constitutionality of the bill we got.

It's interesting that you say the rest of the act remains. I didn't address this in my post, but the Supreme Court might actually have to decide whether the mandate is severable from the rest of the law. If the Court finds that the mandate was a central part of the bill, the entire ACA could be held unconstitutional. That would be a rather tricky opinion for the Court to write though, given that the centrality of the mandate would be in tension with a holding that the mandate does not affect commerce.

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  • Daniel Cetina 4 months ago You beat me to it, Anthony. Not onl...

  • Ben Poole 4 months ago What you wish for personal mandates...

You beat me to it, Anthony. Not only is the constitutionality of the individual mandate a central question, but the validity of the entire Affordable Care Act is at stake. Federal District Court Judge Vinson of Florida recently ruled the entire Act unconstitutional, determining the centrality of an individual mandate ruled unconstitutional invalidates the entire law. So, the safety of Obamacare sans an individual mandate component is far from assured.

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What you wish for personal mandates creates slaves of us all to the desires of the privileged few who govern and the private interests who fund them. California is going bankrupt by giving benefits to citizens and illegals alike. If the Supreme Court finds this constitutional there is almost no way to see financial stability given our current situation. I believe in a safety net but not an entitlement to a lifestyle. Unfunded mandates are the hidden trap to failure and uncompetitiveness in a global marketplace. To create a hidden tax in the form of personal mandates circumvents taxation by law

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I have to be honest, it is perfectly clear that the Commerce Clause has long ago been twisted into an unrecognizable form and now encompasses whatever the Supreme Court says it does. Reasoned arguments aside, the central issue has nothing to do with whether it is, in fact, constitutional, but whether the Supreme Court, a Federal Institution, wishes to increase the power of the Federal Government, and, coincidentally, its own.
I find it almost laughable how many of those who trash the Constitution in this way, look to the Constitution on other occasions and attempt to use it as a reference to protect their freedoms. It's you that ripped it up into little pieces.

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Healthcare should not be about commerce in the first place. It is sad that we are the only industrialized nation that does not have a national healthcare system. Long ago other countries figured out that it is a bad idea to build in a profit motive where people's lives are on the line.

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  • Richard Headrick 4 months ago Isn't that almost always? N...

Isn't that almost always?

Now if we could only get the medical health professionals to work for free we would be all set.

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