The Media Fog of War

88

An embedded reporter snaps war footage. The U.S. military-industrial complex and media work together to propagate the agenda of government.

NATO’s decision to intervene in Libya on humanitarian grounds has become an alarming and revealing assessment of America’s understanding of war. The way the “established” media portrayed the Libyan conflict, and its subsequent reception, illustrates our society’s failure to recognize how the power dynamics of plutocratic governance shape our realities. There is significant historical evidence that during times of war propaganda is used to justify military action for special interests. If we are to believe the theme of “change” will define our generation, we must pierce through both the media and the government’s rationalization of war.

I have found the established media’s reporting on Libya to be lacking in depth and consideration of an alternative to military intervention. This is not unusual. History repeatedly shows that during times of war, the established media have a tendency to mislead, deceive, and (in some instances) fabricate to serve the interests of the rich and powerful. This is shown through the writings of Carl Bernstein, the Nayirah testimony, the treatment of former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, and the beginning of the Iraq and Afghan wars. Essentially, the media has been used to facilitate consent, not dissent.

Given the assumption that we learn from history, our passive acceptance of such reporting is surprising. In 1758, author Samuel Johnson wrote, “Among the calamities of war may be justly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.” Later, President Dwight Eisenhower warned us of the emerging military-industrial complex, which we learned has a tradition of lying in addition to tremendous governmental influence. If the military has to go to such lengths for approval, it is clearly not what we naturally desire. Thus, why has there not been more widespread skepticism and objection with regard to Libya?

Led by the U.S., NATO used reports of imminent danger to civilians as justification for humanitarian intervention. Yet, history shows that there is a good reason to approach this explanation with skepticism. In fact, it was recently reported that President Barack Obama exaggerated the humanitarian threat. Once we consider issues such as who the Libyan rebels are and what role oil, banking, previous planning, and geopolitics play in the situation, it seems that history is repeating itself.

The question for our generation becomes: At what point do we categorically reject war and its mechanisms from the beginning rather than in retrospect? We can do this by repudiating all war. We must reject the seemingly righteous theory of humanitarian intervention because it is divorced from how social conflicts actually arise and are resolved. The idea that bombing — an indiscriminate killing method the U.S. has become notoriously inaccurate at — can improve a situation is untenable. The most recent example is Kosovo; it was the nonviolent movement that ultimately resolved the conflict. Moreover, what right does any country have to determine the affairs of another country? This is the same expression of moral superiority used to justify imperialism.

If we want to live in a world of peace, we must learn from our history and see that war is an unnatural phenomenon; we need to reject it on a philosophical and spiritual level. Removing war from our conscience creates space for dialogue and diplomacy, and brings us closer to a shared utopia.

Photo Credit: Wikimedia Commons

88

Sign up to join the discussion

Reply to this article
view profile

Coy McKinney

Was born in Kingston, Jamaica, raised in Atlanta, Georgia, attended high school in Torino, Italy, obtained a history degree from the University o...

Most Mic'd Response

weekly-winner-headshot-fpo

Chris Miller

If you think that mankind will ever evolve to a point where we reject war, you misunderstand our nature as human beings. The first tools we made after starting to walk upright were made for killing and it didn't take long for one man to kill another. Man will never reject war. It is our oldest companion. So long as man doesn't reject war, the media won't either. The thing about war you have to remember is that there never has been 'bad war' and 'good war'. I thought the Iraq war was a crime, but, paradoxically, I fought as hard as I could in it every day. There are lots of stories I could tell you about the good war has done; but for every one of those I could tell you a story about its evils. To say that war is always bad and it is sheer progaganda to argue otherwise shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of war and, therefore, mankind. War is not good or bad, just like us.

Watch the PolicyMic Video Join PolicyMic

The Discussion

Great article. I agree with your views on war and intervention. Bombs and warfare are not answers. They are money makers for the arms and ammunition industries. The fact that people are still having wars thousands of years down the road is childish to say the least. The time has come to use our intelligence not our war tactics to create peace. Since that is unlikely to happen, perhaps we should just mind our own business, stop sending money and guns to other countries. After all, most of them just complain about how bad we are anyway. We have our own veterans coming home that need healthcare, jobs and a better life. I prefer the BBC news to our paid to be said politically correct media.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I am glad to say that we are not, but I would caution getting to involved. While we should help where we can, diplomatic pressure where it works, military options where is needed, we need to remember this is their fight. We fought for our freedom, they better be prepared to fight for their own.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

32 Replies

  • Coy McKinney 10 months ago Yes, this is certainly an issue for...

  • Thomas Repetti 10 months ago Considering that the old regime has...

  • Thomas Repetti 10 months ago Qaddafi talks a good game but like ...

Yes, this is certainly an issue for Libyans to determine themselves. However, why did the rebels ask for military assistance from abroad? If the will of the people is truly to overthrow the regime, like we saw in Tunisia and Egypt, then assistance from outsides is not needed. The primary point I want to make is that the mainstream understanding of Libya and Qaddafi does not take into consideration his advocacy for pan-Africanism, and anti-imperialism. Two things that certainly help you become an "enemy" of America. This does not mean you have to be a Qaddafi supporter, but it adds context to why military intervention is being used here, and not in other countries.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Considering that the old regime has to rely primarily on mercenaries to fill the ranks of its security forces you could ask them the same thing. The rebels lack the logistical and tactical abilities of the regimes security forces hence the need for international assistance.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Qaddafi talks a good game but like any other tyrant, he can be paid off and would be willing to do business with any one willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses that are going on within the country.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I challenge the assertion the regime "primarily" relies on mercenaries. This issue of mercenaries was first suggested by Susan Rice, in what I believe was an attempt to escalate the war. The mercenaries have been labeled as black, and originating from sub-Saharan Africa. However, this is very problematic because there are black Libyans and sub-Saharan Africans who have lived there for years and are simply civilians. Nonetheless, the rebels have used these reports as justification for lynching and killing any dark-skinned person they see. U.S. intelligence officials have been unable to confirm that between 4,000 and 5,000 mercenaries from Niger, Mali, and Darfur’s Justice and Equality Movement have been hired by Gaddafi. The people of Egypt lacked the logistical, tactical, technological abilities of the Mubarak regime, yet they were successful in toppling the regime.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I don't believe this is a complete description of what Qaddafi has done in Libya: nationalizing oil, RASCOM (the first African satellite), the African Monetary Fund, the Great Man-Mande River project... I would strongly recommend reading Ellen Brown's piece on Libya: http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=24306; and http://www.shout-africa.com/politics/opinion-the-lies-of-the-west-on-war-against-libya/

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The culture of the Egyptian Military was different than what one would find in Libya, many portions of the egyptain military began to defect and side with the protesters rather than fire upon them. This was not the case in Libya.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

You seem to have forgotten to add the dozens of assassinations of dissidence abroad by the regime in the 1980's, the well documented support of a variety of terrorist organizations in the 1970's and 1980's, the violent repression of opposition at home since he's regime was born via a military coup.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

In my opinion, Libya is the Cuba of Africa. Without Cuba breaking free of imperialism, the progress seen throughout South America certainly would not have been possible. This doesn't excuse the use of violence, but adds context that is essential in getting a more complete picture of what is really going on. What I find problematic about America's understanding of other countries, and how they are represented through the media is that anything that is not Western is considered bad. This is the problem I have with the American perspective, it lacks understanding of the "other's" reality. What is a terrorist? Who defines what one is? Would you say Blackwater/Xe/Reflex Responses, etc. is a terrorist organization? They do business with the American government, and have killed their fair share of civilians. What about the US military and their night raids? Is this not a form of terrorism?

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Qaddafi nationalized the oil industry and used that money to support groups fighting for self-determination (such as the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), the Irish Republican Army (IRA), and the African National Congress (ANC). Who considers them terrorists? The labeling of these groups as terrorists clearly shows where the bias of person doing the labeling lies. Nelson Mandela had this to say of Qaddafi: “Those who say I should not be here are without morals. This man helped us at a time when we were all alone [during apartheid], when those who say we should not come here were helping the enemy.”

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

You're romanticizing tyrants, if the US were to conduct itself in a similar fashion as they have would not have been any more excusable. The fact their own people do not have freedom of speech, freedom of press, Freedom of religion, really very few freedoms at all, that should tell you the character of any regime.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Stating the good things a leader has done is not romanticizing, it is simply providing a more accurate and well-rounded analysis of the person. How can you judge a person without considering the good they have done as well? How do you conclude the Libyan people do not have those stated freedoms? According to the Bishop of Tripoli, Giovanni Innocenzo Martinelli, Qaddafi has created a social welfare state that offers free healthcare, housing, a car, and relatively cheap higher educational costs for Libyans, in addition to relative equality for women and, liberty of worship. And just the other day there was a large rally in support of Qaddafi. It doesn't matter whether you think he is a tyrant or not, it's up to the Libyan people to determine the future of their country themselves.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Orchestrating massive rallies is a classical tactic of dictators to make a show of legitimacy, Stalin did it, Saddam did it, Kim Jong-il does it. I'd take such demonstration at best with a grain of salt. As for romanticizing, I mean specifically the support of terrorist groups, the only group you listed that did not partake in acts of terrorism was the ANC.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Point taken on the demonstration. In my opinion, violence cannot create peace, but if we agree the PLO and IRA have committed acts of terrorism, then we must also agree that NATO, and the US military have made (and continue to make) acts of terrorism. How can one type of terrorism be justified over another? What gives NATO the moral superiority to intervene? This is the same type of thinking that justified the colonization of Africa. Moreover, why should I believe the US military has suddenly found its moral compass?

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I think we are working from different definitions of terrorism: terrorism as I understand it is intentionally targeting civilians with violence or the threat of violence to impose a political agenda. Collateral damage, while terrible, isn't terrorism in the sense that it was intentionally inflicted on innocents.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The US military is a tool of the state, neither good nor evil. While America has not always placed its values before its strategic interests, it has before and this is an example. We fashion ourselves champions of liberty and democracy, the least we can do is give people who are willing to fight for both a fighting chance where we can.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Given your definition of terrorism, I would still argue the US and NATO continue to make terrorist acts. As WikiLeaks has shown, official statements of intent mean close to nothing. How many innocent civilians have been killed by drones, inaccurate bombs, depleted uranium, night raids in Afghanistan, kill teams, or have been illegally locked up/abducted or tortured at Abu-Ghraib, Gitmo, and other secret facilities. To label these people as collateral damage demeans the value of their lives. I also still don't understand where this American arrogance to bring liberty and democracy throughout the world comes from, given there are significant domestic issues related to both of these concepts. I'm also still trying to understand how supporting a group that admittedly has elements of Al-Qaeda, and people that were recently released from Gitmo promotes liberty and democracy.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Mistakes, accidents, these do not constitute terrorism, terrorism is to have INTENT to do harm to civilian targets or threaten to do harm. Lets face it unintentional casualties are a fact of war and are unavoidable, but there has been significant efforts to limit civilian loss of life through better training, better technology, and better intelligence.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The unfortunate incidents where people are mistaken for jihadist operatives is also unfortunate and while mistakes are excusable, torture is not. Its ineffective and serves no greater purpose than bringing shame to our country.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I cannot defend our use of torture and I will not, but what say you to Qaddafi's use of violence against dissidents not only at home and abroad? Is it excusable to hunt down exiles and murder them for nothing more than speaking against the regime?

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

As for our support of the rebels, at best there are some of suspect ties, but to date there is nothing concrete. While this suspicions should not be enough to make us abandon the Libyan people, it does require us to be vigilant and make every attempt to understand who it is exactly we are working with when it comes to these rebels.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Last, but not least, my reply to the charge of American arrogance. Yes we are arrogant, incredibly so, but our pride is not undeserved. While man feat and hate the US, many still look to us with respect and come to us for our aid. Just ask Kuwait, South Korea, Iraqi Kurdistan.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

We have the power to make or break any global efforts and while we have yet to understand how to use such power it is something that can and has been used for good. No other nation, or international organization, has the logistical capabilities and experience the US has is disaster relief. Iran, 2004. Indian Ocean Tsunami, 2004. Haiti, 2010. Japan, 2011.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Violence is never excusable. Just because one person does it, does not justify another person doing it. Pointing the finger at Qaddafi for what he has done, does not suddenly justify American intervention. What steps are being taken to understand who the Rebels are? It seems more and more bombs are being dropped rather than questions being asked. In my opinion, respect does not come through an assertion of violence, but instead ensures compliance and subservience. I agree the US has tremendous influence but to not consider the geopolitics and the interests of those who control and run the military is, in my opinion, extremely naive. I am not familiar with the disaster relief efforts in Iran, or the Indian Ocean, or Japan, but I certainly would challenge that their response in Haiti was anywhere near adequate.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

See that's where you and I differ it would seem. To me violence, when applied appropriately is justifiable and quite frankly necessary, o ensure the survival of a nation to believe anything else is to be naive. However, violence directed intentionally at innocence does not fit the bill of appropriate application.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

What do you think our Intelligence is simply sitting in an office twiddling their thumbs? Just because its not being broadcasted on mainstream news or the web doesn't mean efforts aren't being made. We've made that mistake during our efforts against the Soviets in Afghanistan, I would be surprised if our military/intel leaders would be silly enough to do anything less.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The US has more than simply raw military might, the US contributes 25 percent of Global Investments, how many people do you think have food in their belly and a roof over their head because of the jobs created by those investments? When nations look at us, they don't just see a military giant, they see a vital business partner.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The US also has the most far reaching foreign aid capabilities and operations in the world, through programs like the Peace Corps for example. Our military also serves a dual purpose, not only is there no equal to its abilities to make war there is no equal to its ability to bring help to those who need it, friend or foe.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

2004, Iran was hit by a massive earthquake, thousands dead or wounded. American military choppers were dispatched to aid in search and rescue. First responders from the US military provided airlift support and and hospital ships to Indian Ocean tsunami victims later that year.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

2010, again first responders include the US military who's airlift capabilities and naval hospital ships. It would have been nearly impossible bring relief to and rescue victims had it not been for America's involvement. it was because of our efforts the aid sent by other could even make it to most victims.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

2011, Japan is struck by the largest natural disaster in decades. Again US military personal arrived at the scene and made it possible to operate due to its air and naval capabilities.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

You see it isn't just America's ability to wage war that garners it respect, its America's ability to wage peace as well and you'd be hard pressed to find another country that is a greater force for good in the world than the US, as flawed as it.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Yes, this is certainly where we differ. I don't believe war is a fixed consequence of life. If civilians are destined to die in them, then why not unconditionally oppose them? Every justification for war, prevents an alternative from being implemented. We don't all have Stockholm Syndrome. My issue is specifically with how the military is used to wage war, so type all you want about how great the US military is, it doesn't change my perception on the immorality of war. Arrogance isn't a favorable character trait, and clouds one's vision of other people's reality. What goes around certainly comes back around so we'll see what the future has in store.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Considering the history of the regime in Lybia I would not say that the humanitarian crises was exagerated. How can we fashion ourselves defenders and promoters of Liberty and Democracy and yet stand aside and watch as tyrants try to crush Democratic movements?

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

2 Replies

  • Coy McKinney 10 months ago Although you may not believe the hu...

  • Jonathan Dowdall 10 months ago Our understanding of who the rebels...

Although you may not believe the humanitarian crisis was exaggerated, there are human rights groups working in Libya who do. For example, Amnesty, "an investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence." Moreover, the Senate Chairwoman of the Select Committee on Intelligence admitted that the U.S. does not know who the "rebels" are; while the rebels themselves, according to a Telegraph report of 25 March 2011, admitted that Al Qaeda elements are among their ranks. So while the American government has used every opportunity to say Al-Qaeda is the enemy of all freedom-loving people, our government has chosen to them and other unknowns.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Our understanding of who the rebels are has advanced greatly since the March report you cite - US and European intelligence has since said they see almost no trace of Al Qaeda amongst the Libyan rebels. That Telegraph report was citing the presence of Libyan Islamic Fighting Group members amongst the rebels, a rebellion movement that started in the 1990's. They claimed affiliation with Al Qaeda during that uprising, which was brutally crushed by Gaddafi at that time. Since then, most have been incarcerated or killed. Meanwhile, conflicting internal accounts have emerged from the group regarding their links to global jihad - many renounced Al-Qaeda after spending years in prison in Libya. So, some are, probably, still global jihadists - but a good bet is that they are in the minority. Most are merely nationalist revolutionaries with more combat experience then the average rebel.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

We do not have the right to determine the affairs of another country at all. The African Union should have been left to solve Libya's problems and we should have completely removed ourselves from the equation.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I am late to this debate and have not read all of the comments but re: Kosovo, you are incorrect in discounting the important of the bombing campaign on the Serb mainland. The Serb population, who up until that point had been unaffected by the conflict raging on their borders, lost alltasteforthewar

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

2 Replies

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago Have you considered the articles re...

  • Thomas Repetti 10 months ago The key to non-violent revolution i...

Have you considered the articles regarding the influence of the non-violent movement into your thinking? If not, I believe Stephen Zunes is a good reference, and his work on Serbia can be found here: http://stephenzunes.org/2000/10/01/credit-the-serbian-people-not-nato/

And more generally his articles on non-violence are here: http://stephenzunes.org/category/topic/nonviolent-action/

If we are have informed discussions, I believe consideration of all sides is necessary.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The key to non-violent revolution is to shame one's oppressors, this is how we won greater equality in the states, its how India got its independence. With that said when you have governments like the former regime in Iraq, Syria's current regime, Qaddafi, who have no qualms about violently cracking down on peaceful protests it doesn't work so well.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Your essay gives us all a lot to think about. Regarding Libya I believe that participating in an operation that discourages human rights violations is just. Whether our bombs are really preventing innocents from being killed is up for debate and is certainly influenced by how the press reports the events. For me sitting by and allowing a megalomaniac to slaughter non-combatants is unacceptable and could easily lead to a mini-Holocaust. In fact the axis powers did turn away from the atrocities being perpetrated during the last world war. If you have any doubts about it you should visit Yad Vashem in Israel. I was there last week and was overwhelmed by what inaction by the US and Great Britain led to.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

5 Replies

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago Yes, I believe given the state of t...

  • Jake Horowitz 11 months ago I'd love to hear you explain m...

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago Sure. I am not sure if the links wi...

Yes, I believe given the state of the world, we all have plenty to think about and reevaluate. I too believe that participation in an operation that discourages human rights intervention is just, however, it depends on what we mean by operation. If we are talking about diplomatic means that allow the people of Libya to determine for themselves their future, then yes. But if we are talking about invading another country and using force, then no. In my opinion, the special-interest media has unfairly portrayed Qaddafi as a "megalomaniac out to slaughter non-combatants" for the purpose of creating consent for the war. Those reports have been exaggerated, and lack context for what NATO is doing, and what Qaddafi has done for the issue of pan-Africanism and anti-imperialism.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I'd love to hear you explain more about what Qaddafi has concretely done to advance anti-imperialism and pan-Africanism, as well as how those accomplishments that you can point to can be squared with current events. Please do share!

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Sure. I am not sure if the links will come out in an organized fashion but here are some I believe are relevant: - Ellen Brown on the importance of banking in Libya (http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=24306); an article from the BBC in 2007 on Qaddafi's call for Pan-Africanism (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6239656.stm); Gerald Perreira on Pan-Africanism (http://blackagendareport.com/print/content/libya-getting-it-right-revolutionary-pan-african-perspective); and Jean Paul Pougala on Libya (http://www.shout-africa.com/politics/opinion-the-lies-of-the-west-on-war-against-libya/).

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

This just in: "An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence." Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

One thing I will agree concerns me is the inability to independently verify what either side is saying. The regime has a history of fabricating information and we do not fully understand what the rebels want to accomplish beyond getting rid of Qaddafi. Many are fighting for freedom, but as fractured as they are what every one else is fighting for remains to be seen.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Chris,

It is easy for a man holding a gun to claim that war and killing is a basic, unchanging part of human nature. Making such a claim helps to alleviate whatever sense of guilt or shame a person might have from taking part in what you admit is a criminal war against Iraq. I do not say this to be harsh. I say this to wake you up to the basic fallacy of what you're arguing. The overwhelming majority of human beings have never murdered their brothers and sisters. Your personal experience does little, if anything, to refute the claim that most mainstream war reporting constitutes pro-government, pro-war propaganda.

Man WILL reject war...as soon as the tiny minority who fight in them have the courage to put down their guns and the knowledge to stop listening to the liars who profit from senseless bloodshed.

As the saying goes: "The first casualty in war is truth."

  • Mic this! 3
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

7 Replies

  • Andrew Pasternak 11 months ago Matthew, if people put down their g...

  • Jonathan Dowdall 11 months ago The debate about whether mankind ca...

  • Chris Miller 11 months ago Matthew, Its easy for people to jud...

Matthew, if people put down their guns, there would be peace...because the people who didn't put down their guns would slaughter them. Man has been using weapons to kill one another for a long, long, LONG time. It is only recently that death and war has been something relegated to the minority (in the West, it would be foolish to push this as a global phenomenon). To think that someday war will end is nice, but considering that this has never ever happened before, I'm not holding my breath.

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The debate about whether mankind can ever eliminate the phenomena of warfare is perhaps not entirely within the remit of this article. I do tend to agree with you, Andrew, but equally, the West's ongoing experiments in the international mediation of conflicts, the professionalisation of the use of force; and the strong moral and legal imperatives that often genuinely drive interventionist operations, do paint a favourable picture of out "progress" in this regard.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Matthew, Its easy for people to judge a situation they have never been in. I'm not one who makes the argument 'that's just the way it is.' I'm not doing that here. It is scientific fact that war is the oldest companion man has; every other idea is new in comparison to it. I feel no sense of guilt/shame for having served in Iraq. I killed a man there and have a Purple Heart where another man tried to kill me. So it goes. You say the majority of people have never killed anyone, which is true, but I say to you its only because they haven't had to. Its because of people like me you haven't had to make that choice yet. I'm no war monger and no one enjoys peace more than a soldier, but I am no fool who believes we'll rid ourselves of war or that propaganda and profit are the only motive. The oldest human bones in the remotest of places show that war walks with mankind since the beginning.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The saddest thing about the Iraq War is that it was optional.

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I believe war is not an issue of human nature, but an issue of the mind. What was true in the past, does not necessarily ring true for the future. This way of thinking does not value the present, nor our ability to change. The reason war has continued to occur is because of justifications similar to the ones expressed here. Why is it that people that go to war often come back with PTSD? Rather than submit to saying war is a consequence of life, why not challenge it and dismantle it altogether. We need to first believe peace is possible, and begin living our life practicing this virtue. Additionally, perception is reality, so by creating a culture that focuses on peaceful conflict resolution, younger generations and others will learn from our example, and we can start to build a world without peace.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I agree with you, Michael. It was completely unnecessary and has created more security threats. Utterly profligate. Coy, not once have I 'justified' war here. It is unjustifiable, but it is a force of nature. I criticize the way wars are conducted. I criticize the conduct of soldiers when necessary. I question when or if we should go to war. But I think as progressives we have to stop stating this mantra of 'if we all believe in peace, all war will end'. Its 'pie in the sky'. We need to focus on ensuring that when it comes to war, we are doing all we can to ensure it is pursued in a manner that achieves clear goals and is in keeping with universal values. Peace is preferable to war, but war is inevitable as a force of nature and we have to become very good at limiting it to a very clear, narrow scope. We have to know what we're figthing for and end it when we've achieved it.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

So you believe wars are never justifiable, yet we are helpless in preventing them? This line of thinking reminds me of the Stockholm syndrome. What about the brain's elasticity, how we are able to mature, and our unique ability to shape our environment, rather than conform to it? What is this force of nature that takes over us and causes us to make war? As America has constantly been in war, are Americans more inclined than others? What is your take on Philip Zimbardo's TED talk on how people become monsters or heroes? (http://www.everythingology.com/ted-video-how-people-become-monsters-or-heroes/)

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

If you think that mankind will ever evolve to a point where we reject war, you misunderstand our nature as human beings. The first tools we made after starting to walk upright were made for killing and it didn't take long for one man to kill another. Man will never reject war. It is our oldest companion. So long as man doesn't reject war, the media won't either. The thing about war you have to remember is that there never has been 'bad war' and 'good war'. I thought the Iraq war was a crime, but, paradoxically, I fought as hard as I could in it every day. There are lots of stories I could tell you about the good war has done; but for every one of those I could tell you a story about its evils. To say that war is always bad and it is sheer progaganda to argue otherwise shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of war and, therefore, mankind. War is not good or bad, just like us.

  • Mic this! 7
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

8 Replies

  • Lawrence McMahon 11 months ago Those tools were made to kill anima...

  • Chris Miller 11 months ago There is no scarcity of animals now...

  • Lawrence McMahon 11 months ago I would say that the very act of li...

Those tools were made to kill animals. Only in a scarcity of animals does it become necessary to aim them at other humans instead. Mankind, by "nature" cannot fly, but then the Wright brothers came along. Just saying.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

There is no scarcity of animals now and there are even more tools, yet people in all places kill each other for mindless reasons. This isn't a modern phenomenon, though many people think it is. Our ancestors were even closer to violence every day than we are because they had to kill their food and process it. As for your flight example, it didn't take long for us to figure out how to use the aeroplane as a tool of war either. After they got it to work, we soon started using it to drop bombs and it changed the nature of warfare. There's something destructive about humankind. Its native to us.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I would say that the very act of life is destructive. In order to live, one has to eat, and in order to eat, for example, peanut butter, one has to destroy some peanuts (and till some soil, another destructive act). Also, what appears to be "mindless" may, in fact, be quite rational, from the standpoint of those involved. Point taken on warplanes, although I think that an appeal to what is "native to us" is flawed. Human nature always seems immutable until it changes, and just because something has always been does not mean that it will always be. (That was my point with the airplane example.) With that said, don't get me wrong, because I'm certainly not a utopian: If it is possible to overcome mankind's undeniable propensity to kill himself, we're a long, long way from it right now. But DaVinci's flying machine was a long way from a Boeing 747. Those are my thoughts!

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I completely agree with your point about the act of life being destructive. Every thing that exists consumes something else to do so (even plants), but creates a byproduct that others may live from. The circle of life. We're the only living organisms that can see this 'destruction' in the big picture and our version of destruction is very destructive (nukes, guns, bio agents, etc). We're not the pinnacle of creation and once we go the way of the dinosaurs, there'll be something else along right behind us. If you think about it that way it is kinda sad because that means we're no smarter than a bunch of big, dumb lizards and they probably lasted longer in time than we will.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

See, yeah, that's exactly the thing: As soon as you get into "human nature" you wind up at a totally fatalistic position. I think that something's gotta give. It's not just that I don't want to believe that we're nothing more than big dumb lizards (who wants to believe that?), but rather that this can't be the case. Why? Because we're having this conversation right now. If we're sitting around thinking about whether or not we're big dumb lizards, then obviously we're not big dumb lizards. At least that's the way I see it.
Alright, man... I've gotta go to the supermarket... (to get some dead plants and animals)

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

This reminds me of the Mayan calendar and cosmology. I recently came across an alternative interpretation of the Mayan calendar that says 2012 doesn't represent the end of the world, but the end of our current way of thinking, and the beginning of new one. In a nutshell, the Maya believe periodic fluctuations in cosmic energy influences life, and fuels the evolution of consciousness. This is represented throughout history by times of human growth and despair. This next level in consciousness will create a world completely different from the one we knew before it. (You can read more about it here: http://www.everythingology.com/the-mayan-calendar/) Just think: Ray Kurzweil predicts humans will have the ability to be immortal in 2045, mini-drones exist, and neural engineering is a field of research. If change is inevitable, we should direct it rather than simply continue to go through it.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Chris, I don't want to get into a long anthropological discussion about how old war is and how much different war is now than it was thousands of years ago because I think the more important discussion is whether or not humanity can evolve away from it. I think we can and must if we are going to survive into the undetermined future. Our technology has become far too dangerous to risk ANY war...I think we can basically agree on that. The disagreement is whether or not humanity is capable of abolishing war. This is not something that can be proven empirically, but I will say that we all better hope that Coy and I are right for the sake of our children and our children's children.

Andrew, you are wrong that people who don't carry guns get slaughtered by default. I don't carry a gun, and no one messes with me. Ever hear of Gandhi and MLK? What about the People Power revolution?

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Matthew, this is one of those cases where I do sincerely hope I'm wrong and you are right. I don't think so, but I hope so. I'm not saying that war is inevitable so, hey, knock yourself out. What I am saying is that I think we can have much more tangible success talking about showing restraint in war and reserving war for necessary cases than we can in talking about abolishing war. I think that's realistic. But there never anything wrong with big hopes.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Some powerful ideas here, Coy. My biggest issue with your argument, however, is that it makes the media seem more conspiratorial than I believe it really is. Arguing that the media is deliberately misleading the public because it's in cahoots with big business doesn't cut to the real heart of the problem. With journalism losing money by the day, newspapers are cutting their staff overseas, and in turn becoming more reliant upon the government for their information. Rather than having a reporter embedded in Libya full-time, the media is forced to rely upon the news as handed down from the military and White House. To what extent can it serve as an independent check on power, then? To get seated at a White House press conference and called to ask a question, journalists cannot ask the tough questions about oil, banking, and geopolitics. Sadly, investigative reporting is a dying art form.

  • Mic this! 3
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

3 Replies

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago I think you bring up a number of go...

  • Jake Horowitz 11 months ago Have you heard Cornell West's ...

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago Haha - Although I have not come acr...

I think you bring up a number of good points, and I join you in expressing displeasure at the demise of investigative reporting. The word "conspiracy" gives me pause because I believe it has often been used as a way of dismissing legitimate viewpoints. I think it's also important to distinguish between grassmoots media, and "popular" media because it is representative of the interests associated with the reporting. My perspective on the intentions of the popular media stem from clear disparities in how the realities of the dominant and marginalized groups/ideas in society have been portrayed that suggest it is very much intentional. Not out of evil intentions, but out of interests. I think the internet, as shown through previous evolutions of human communications, can transform how we all learn from one another, and will help transcend oppressive paradigms.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Have you heard Cornell West's take on the media? He says in order to be in the mainstream media you have to become "mainstreamed" - that's what your comment reminds me of.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Haha - Although I have not come across that quote, it is certainly similar to how I view the mainstream media. It also reminds me of another quote: "I want to stay as close on the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center. Big, undreamed-of things — the people on the edge see them first."

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

You refer to the media as if it is a monolith, but I do not beleive this to be so. There are hundreds of news sources that have subtly different levels of bias, agenda and cultural context in their reporting. If Libya was indeed propogated by media "lies", as you claim, you must first tell us: which news sources you are referencing, which medium (radio, tv, internet) they operated in, from which country, culture and finance (revenue source) they operate under, and finally which audience (every news source has a designated audience) they appeal to, in which country, and so on. I will presume, for instance, that as a British male in Brussels, Belgium, predominatly utilising online english language news media, that I saw different aspects of the Libya coverage then you did in the U.S? Was this conspiracy to lie univeral amongst the worlds media? I am troubled by your thesis, on many levels.

  • Mic this! 3
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

7 Replies

  • Michael Youhana 11 months ago Perhaps you would have found yourse...

  • Jonathan Dowdall 11 months ago I apologise if you feel my response...

  • Charlotte Kiang 11 months ago If anything I think the considerati...

Perhaps you would have found yourself more at ease had you given the author's thesis more than a cursory glance. He makes it quite clear that he's interested in media whose target audience is Americans. American Media. He also makes the distinction between media and 'established' media. I admit 'established' is a vague qualifier. However, fair-minded, attentive readers will, no doubt, have the capacity to gather that he's referring to outlets including but not limited to CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The NYT, and the Wall Street Journal. I present to you a set of supposedly unique news outlets that have, at key moments (the start of the Iraq War comes to mind), acted as a monolithic hype-machine for acts of aggression. Yours is a critique of semantics, that exploits writing errors to divert attention from the notable questions the author raises.

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I apologise if you feel my response was a matter of semantics. I rather think that given this arguments focus on media bias, and the rather conspitorial accusations implied within that argument, asking questions about media sources, audience and the construction of message are quite petinent to the debate. I suppose I may merely have been trying to highlight that numerous other nations other then America (including my own, but also Arab partners in the Libya coalition force) have been similarly "duped" into entering this war of "blood and oil", as this author essentially believes. Each of these nations have also viewed media sources and came to decisions, and indeed, global media interacts, cross-refrencing and feeding of each others sources. So I thought the point needed to be made, though I am sorry you do not.

  • Mic this! 2
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

If anything I think the consideration of UK media would greatly enhance this discussion. If we are to chide the American media for its pandering to the government, we should have reason to believe its actions are contrived and not, as Chris Miller suggests, simply a product of the human condition.

  • Mic this! 3
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

(edit to last post: by UK, I meant international.) Anyway--since I find it highly implausible that the established media of another country would be in collusion with the US government, similar coverage would support Chris' point, while a more negative portrayal might further the author's thesis.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Although the focus of my article was on the American media, I believe it is logical to conclude there are similarities between the popular media's coverage in the participating countries. I believe there are interests that bind the participating countries to each other, which I believe is best understood through the study of geopolitics, and the means for which rich countries have amassed their wealth, the interests that has created within the society, and how the media has complemented those interests. Perhaps, this interview on French television is helpful: http://youtu.be/gXFAsz6_W50

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Michael, saying the media acts as monolithic hype machines is painting with a very very broad brush. Jonathan has a point, to post these groups together isn't representative of the American media, nor of views. You have individual journalists, editors, executives, all putting their expertise into the final product. To link groups based on the idea that "they're popular and American" is really flimsy. That would be like comparing a gun shop and a hotel simply because they're on the same block. We each have our own motivations, and to consider them only as a group is just poor analysis. Finally, not doing so is frankly an insult to so many journalists who has done any work over the last decade. I won't get into Iraq (what sources would they have that the CIA or MI6 did not?), but each topic is reported very differently based upon the medium of delivery and audience.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iraq_War_Media_Sources_Opinion_Percentage.svg http://www.animaltrial.com/lemmingrodent.html Checkmate.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

My biggest problem with this article is not that you are asking the media to be more truthful, but specifically to be more truthful according to you. Asking the media to look into peacful options isn't news reporting, it is what belongs in the editorial section (which does occur often). If you are inherently anti-war, then does any news which reinforces the need for force then become 'propoganda'. I'm not saying propoganda doesn't exist, nor will I go into whether sometimes propoganda can be appropriate (too long a discussion for this post), but just be careful not to espouse your own position as the news that should be reported. That is propoganda.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

7 Replies

  • Michael Youhana 11 months ago That said, it's not the media&...

  • Coy McKinney 11 months ago I acknowledge your concern about li...

  • Charlotte Kiang 11 months ago The desire for peace does not contr...

That said, it's not the media's role to work hand-in-hand with government. It's the media's role to be skeptical of government action, to provide the public with information on any given policy, as well as viable alternatives to that policy. The media should act as the fourth estate, an extra check that prevents government corruption excessive aggression.

  • Mic this! 3
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

I acknowledge your concern about living in a world that doesn't contradict my way of thinking. However, I base my stance on peace from a humanist perspective. Although we are all different, there are similarities and wishes we all want. Peace is one of them. The representations of this are everywhere in society (the universal peace sign, the fact even John McCain wants peace, etc.). If this desire is intrinsically linked with our being, then isn't this a view we all share?

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

The desire for peace does not contradict a tendency towards war - wars are fought BECAUSE both sides think defeat of the enemy is necessary for peace. Popular culture and politicians, in turn, capitalize on human idealism, and to circulate a generic pro-war symbol would seem extremely cynical.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

That begs the question of what kind of peace are we talking about: Pax Americana, where peace means subservience? Or are we talking about a shared peace between the parties? If one truly desires peace, then war is not an option. An inability to come to terms then is a matter of conflict resolution, a skill that cannot be fully developed when war and violence is rationalized.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

That depends on whether you think "shared peace" is possible. Example: the Cold War was born from the Soviet capitalism challenge, which espoused a "one cannot live while the other survives" mentality on both sides. Negotiations were then out of the question because of inherent mutual distrust.

  • Mic this! 1
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Exactly. We all have to believe shared peace is possible in order to make it reality. This is a necessary step for the evolution of the human conscience, and in order to bring about that, we must believe in it, then challenge the structures that prevent it from happening.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!

Haha - from a purely idealistic standpoint I agree, but in practice I don't ever see that happening. Foreign policy has too many built-in prisoner's dilemma situations; someone is always going to see a reason to cheat and mess up the balance.

  • Mic this! 0
  • Reply
char limit
Please wait before posting another comment to this article. Thanks!
Join PolicyMic

What is PolicyMic?