Should the FDA Require Fast Food Establishments to Disclose That They Use Pink Slime?

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McDonalds, hamburger, fast food, Food Inc.

Should the FDA Require Fast Food Establishments to Disclose That They Use Pink Slime?

Recent news that McDonald's hamburgers used to be processed with a chemical mixture of ammonia hydroxide begs the question: Do consumers really know what they are getting in their food products, and should the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) require food manufacturers to notify consumers of their practices?

Ammonia hydroxide is used in household cleaning products and fertilizers, but for McDonald's food manufacturing plants, it was just a product used to sanitize offcuts or scraps of meat — read, the less desirable parts. Pink slime, the combination of this chemical and meats like beef or chicken, helps to extend the shelf life of these meats while also ridding the food of bacteria.

The USDA classifies this compound as “generally recognized as safe” the agency knows that other food chains and manufacturers still continue to use this compound to process their meats. As of August of last year, McDonald's had stopped using the chemical in their supply chain, but it is interesting that the public is just now hearing of what was in their food.

While companies may argue that dispensing information about certain food production techniques may unnecessarily ward off consumers by creating fear of the product in question — especially when government agencies like the FDA and USDA have cleared them — I believe that is up to the consumer to decide. If the product is “safe” for consumption like the FDA and USDA claim, then the consumer can choose to take that advice should the McDonald's hamburger be something they still want to eat. However, if like me or many other food justice advocates across the country, a consumer has a problem with eating a food product that is processed with the same chemicals we use to clean our bathroom, they would want to be aware so they can say no to that Mickey D’s hamburger.

For those in the know about food justice and farming methods, documentaries such as Food Inc. made a segment of the U.S. population aware of particular fillers and chemical products placed in the fast foods that millions of Americans consume on a daily basis. (For more information, the International Business Times further listed foods that contain interesting additives in their article on the McDonald's pink slime issue). In the United States alone, there are approximately 12,804 McDonald's restaurants, which means that the company influences the diets of many Americans.

Food justice advocate and chef Jamie Oliver, perhaps known for his exposé on pink slime, has said of the issue, “Basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to humans."

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Is anyone NOT aware that almost no matter what you eat at McDonald's there is going to be something wrong with it if you're looking for a healthy meal? For the longest time they couldn't call their nuggets "chicken" because they didn't meat (haw haw) the criteria. If you're going to McDonald's for things that are any way good for you, you've missed the point of McDonald's. I don't know why people are constantly shocked by things like this are going on. If you're looking for quality or at the very least meat not made out of goo, go buy some Chipotle, Five Guys, or even just a deli sandwich from the supermarket.

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The problem is that these chemicals aren't necessarily safe. With all the greed and corruption surrounding the food industry, FDA, and USDA, there is no way I believe that a highly processed meat is good for me. Especially after being force fed GMO corn and injected with hormones, then unnaturally herded together and brought down an assembly line to be slaughtered. I just don't see "safe" food in all of that.

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Statements like "processed with the same chemicals we use to clean our bathroom" make for nice sound bites, but remember that water is the main thing you clean your bathroom with - better take water out of everything. How about an informed discussion on the true pros & cons of the manuf process?

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(*ammonium hydroxide)

Most of what I think has already been said - if it's deemed safe, through a rigorous testing process, then it's fine to go in food. Companies aren't allowed to casually slop in chemicals that aren't fit for human consumption!

Just because it sounds like a "nasty chemical" and looks gross, doesn't mean it's bad. Even if you told customers that their burger had ammonium hydroxide in it, how many would actually know what that was, and make an informed decision? I agree there should be a way for people to find out what's in their food, but let's not whip up hype about it.

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  • Matt Rattley 3 months ago This all reminds me of this: http:/...

This all reminds me of this: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html - which had me laughing for hours...

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  • Douglas Goodman 3 months ago Great link. Loved it....

  • Ethan Case 3 months ago omg, that website... i was reading ...

Great link. Loved it.

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omg, that website... i was reading it and actually concerned, then i got halfway down the page and saw all the stuff it was in... and then i got it, lol

aweomse link

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  • Grace Nsofor 3 months ago Not the exact concoction McDonalds ...

Not the exact concoction McDonalds uses, but all commercial meat unless classified as organic is run through an Ammonia bath before it is sold to the general public.

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The last time I saw pink slime used, someone hosed down the statue of liberty with it and broke into an evil museum to save a baby.

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I wonder if the number of sick or poisoned customers has increased since they discontinued use of the disinfectant...

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  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago Think of it as anti active-clutures...

Think of it as anti active-clutures. Some food adds bacteria into your digestive system. Some exterminates it.

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"While companies may argue that dispensing information about certain food production techniques may unnecessarily ward off consumers by creating fear of the product in question — especially when government agencies like the FDA and USDA have cleared them — I believe that is up to the consumer to decide."

Right on.

Sad to say but I pretty much think McDonalds could wrap a turd in their label and people would by it by the millions.

My name is Lawrence, and I'm a McRib eater....

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  • Ben Poole 3 months ago (now that was funny) how sad the tr...

  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago When they say "McRib", th...

(now that was funny) how sad the truth is the truth sometimes (But, I'm still laughing - that is satire)

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When they say "McRib", they don't mean rib "meat." You're actually eating gelatinized then re-constituted rib-bone refuse collected from the floor of a meat-processing facility.

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  • Ben Poole 3 months ago Matthew, Unless you have proof that...

  • Lawrence Sampson 3 months ago Yeah I know, that was kind of why I...

Matthew, Unless you have proof that McDonald's is disobeying FDA or EPA and other health regulations, I find your post totally baseless.

Here are the regulations with references to others concerning meat processing:
http://aamp.com/documents/USDA-NCDA-FacilityGuidelines.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch09/final/c9s05-1.pdf

Clearly, what you are describing happened about 100 yrs ago. That is not the case today.

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  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago Ben, I was being facetious. We all ...

  • Laura D. 3 months ago Actually, they have their own anima...

  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago First, they are hungry, not evil. S...

Ben, I was being facetious. We all know McRib is actually made from crows.

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Actually, they have their own animals that have been engineered by evil scientists. They are fed an extremely natural diet of nuclear radiation. Part of the research being conducted is whether one shade of radiation has a higher rate of cancer verses others. It's quite interesting. Yay McFrankenstein! :D

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First, they are hungry, not evil. Second, an animal cannot "eat" radiation. DUH!

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Matt, how could you make such an error? McDonalds' animals aren't confined to the rules of nature! :D

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It's physics! Mass begets mass!

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They make up for this fallacy by increasing the general mass of their consumers :D

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You're making no sense. I want Ben to weigh in on this one.

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:D

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OK - mic for sarcasm. But, I'll give it to McDonald's for attempting to abide by law and keep prices low for the poor average guy. Even I eat there occasionally (usually running through the airport). So who says I don't eat crow occasionally. Maybe more should. ;)

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Yeah I know, that was kind of why I shared that information. Thanks for reminding me.

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"the same chemicals we use to clean our bathroom"

...is spin substituted for facts.

If the chemicals I use to clean my bathroom were safe and delicious, then I would eat them by the spoonful.

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  • Lawrence Sampson 3 months ago Are you really so naive as to think...

  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago Ammonia is used to clean bathrooms....

  • Tarek Mostafa 3 months ago Bon appétit Paul ;) ...

Are you really so naive as to think Chlorine and other nefarious chemicals are not used in food preparation?

Not ten years ago you could still read the label on a bottle of Listerine "mouthwash" and see how to use it to strip the wax off of floors.

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Ammonia is used to clean bathrooms... and it also comes out of your body in urine.

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  • Tarek Mostafa 3 months ago Very interesting info Matthew, and ...

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Is anyone NOT aware that almost no matter what you eat at McDonald's there is going to be something wrong with it if you're looking for a healthy meal? For the longest time they couldn't call their nuggets "chicken" because they didn't meat (haw haw) the criteria. If you're going to McDonald's for things that are any way good for you, you've missed the point of McDonald's.

I don't know why people are constantly shocked by things like this are going on. If you're looking for quality or at the very least meat not made out of goo, go buy some Chipotle, Five Guys, or even just a deli sandwich from the supermarket.

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  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago I really need to be more careful ab...

  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Not everyone can afford Chipotle, F...

  • Seamus Light 3 months ago @ Matt Hipple Mic'd for del...

I really need to be more careful about my proof-reading.

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Not everyone can afford Chipotle, Five Guys, etc., that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have "healthier" choices available to them. McDonald's responds to what its consumers want. It's why they now offer salads, yogurts, etc. It's also why they no longer use "pink slime", transfats, and why they made an effort to offer actual chicken. When McDonald's is made aware that they can't just cost cut by cheap or poor quality ingredients, they adapt. If we are in a market economy then companies should respond to what consumers want. At the end of the day its all about disclosure so we can make our own choices; for some it won't matter, for others it will.

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Mic'd for deli sandwiches.
A good ruben or mufaletta beats any fast food burger anytime.

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  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago The publix deli has been one of the...

The publix deli has been one of the most pleasant surprises I've encountered in the past year. So many delicious boar's head brand meats to choose and so much cheese!

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Interesting article. (mic'd for awareness).

I believe that information should be available at the establishments website with justification, GRAS, or whatever truthful information is available. Those with suspicions can look beyond the company explanation to the actual information and make their own decisions.

(you didn't state this) But, to compel any company to "print" or disclose inside their restaurants how every detail of every dish is prepared is beyond bureaucratic heaven and the bane of capitalism and confuses unknowledgeable consumers.

There is a moral to the story of the boy who called "wolf". It is don't raise an alarm unless the threat is real. However, in that same regard, to be informed of facts is the best policy.

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Hey Ben, Thanks for the comment....

Hey Ben,

Thanks for the comment. Actually in a reply to another comment I said essentially the same thing. I don't think that this information needs be disclosed at the food establishment itself, but at the very least on its website so that consumers who are curious can explore for themselves. All I am advocating for is more informed consumer choice. The FDA labeled this product GRAS and that is fine, but for some consumers that find out about the chemicals in their meat this still may not sit well with them. Therefore, I believe consumers have a right to know so they can exercise their right to choose.

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  • Matthew Hipple 3 months ago http://www.theonion.com/articles/ar...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/arbys-now-charging-299-to-let-customers-go-behind,27053/

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" However, if like me or many other food justice advocates across the country, a consumer has a problem with eating a food product that is processed with the same chemicals we use to clean our bathroom, they would want to be aware so they can say no to that Mickey D’s hamburger."

I'm not entirely sure where you come down on the "Pink Slime" disclosure. You obviously know McDonald's uses it and that it's probably safe, but you imply that it's harmful and consumers should be made aware of its use.

If you actually believe it's harmful and should be regulated, is there any evidence for those assertions?

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Hey Cameron, Thanks for the comment...

Hey Cameron, Thanks for the comment. As discussed in the article McDonald's no longer uses it and in no way am saying that the mixture is "harmful". It is regulated and as I said in the article, the FDA classifies it as "generally regarded as safe". What I'm pointing out is that consumers should be made aware that chemicals are used in the processing of these meats or other products so that they can have a choice in whether or not they want to support that product. We both know that these chemicals are not necessary to make hamburgers so I personally question why they are used. This is not an article advocating for the disuse of this chemical, it is an article advocating for more disclosure to consumers.

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There are a lot of things that the FDA recognizes as safe that I don't want in my burgers, but I'd definitely preserve the freedom of fast-food restaurants to prepare food using whichever safe ingredients they want. That freedom should come hand in hand with the responsibility (already extant) to fully disclose all ingredients beyond proprietary flavorings (e.g. the Colonel's secret blend).

The FDA should provide a standard, less-loaded way to identify meat products that are treated by ammonium hydroxide; once that is done, it should be vigilant regarding the accurate posting of such ingredients in restaurants. Watchdog groups may shout the damning information from the rooftops, but it is a consumer's responsibility to stay informed.

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Hey Jonathan, I definitely agree wi...

Hey Jonathan, I definitely agree with you. I do believe fast food establishments are within their rights to use whatever as long as it is regulated as the FDA has done. What I am advocating in this article is that I believe that regulatory agencies should require that there is some disclosure (not recipe ingredients but rather chemicals, etc.) This information does not necessarily need to be plastered around restaurants themselves, but at the very least on their website. I believe that consumer choice is important and that consumers have the right to know what they are consuming.

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Most of the uproar seems over the "ick" factor more than anything else. If it's safe, let consumers decide.

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The FDA has this as generally recognized as safe (GRAS). The FDA is under scrutiny and pressure to up their standards and enforcement. What's going on in the dietary supplement industry is a prime example. FDA lists "pink slime" as GRAS. End of story.

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Hey Doug, I did mention that thi...

Hey Doug,

I did mention that this substance is GRAS in the article, but that is not the issue I am raising. I believe it is all well and good that the FDA has allowed this to pass inspection. What I am advocating for is disclosure so consumers can make this choice for themselves. I know, as you know, that hamburger meat doesn't need chemicals, so for me personally I don't want to consume hamburger meat with chemicals and its possible that others would feel the same if this was disclosed. At the end of the day I believe it is all about informed consumer choice.

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  • Douglas Goodman 3 months ago Ayo, I understand you are urging ...

Ayo,
I understand you are urging disclosure. My position is where does this madness end. There is already tons of published evidence that has been presented to consumers saying fast food is unhealthy. Some companies have voluntarily changed due to customer demand resulting from this information. There is ample information available without any additional requirements for consumers to make the choice, just as you, and in fact, I have made. If this already existing information was not available, you'd have a point. But it is, so I can't agree with you.

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago I agree with you in that there is a...

  • Douglas Goodman 3 months ago For those who want it, information ...

I agree with you in that there is a lot information available about the "unhealthiness" of fast food, but that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking specifically about chemical processes/ingredients used in the production of certain foods and this information is not always available, especially voluntarily from the company itself. Also, I believe because this specific chemical mixture was regarded as GRAS, this allowed the company to not have to say anything about it but I don't believe the FDA should get to have the final say for all consumers. I still want certain information available so I can decide, regardless if the FDA says chemicals in my meat is okay. Restaurants will respond to consumers, and they should have to.

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For those who want it, information is there; http://tntalk.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/ground-beef-aint-what-it-used-to-be/

I'm sure you have one or two favorite restaurants where you enjoy dining . Have you requested, or do you plan on requesting to see a list of the ingredients they use and the make up of those ingredients?

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Honestly, I think that the majority of consumers who are eating at a McDonalds are not going to change their buying behaviors based on finding out that there's some "fancy pink stuff" that they use to process it. Their consumption is based on lack of good alts, not that they like/want McDonalds.

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  • Grace Nsofor 3 months ago I think you underestimate the taste...

I think you underestimate the taste buds of the American public.

I don't believe that our constant consumption of foods that are bad for us has anything to do with the lack of alternatives or the price of said alternatives. Less health conscious Americans eat simply because it tastes good. They do like/want McDonalds.

For example, in New York, recipients of welfare benefits are able to use their benefit cards to shop at local farmers markets. But I constantly see people walk past the Farmers's market in my neighborhood and walk into the McDonald's right next to it, to spend their own money instead.

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When I was younger, I often ate at McDonalds and other fast food restaurants. But when I started becoming informed of the factory farms from which they receive their meat and of the disgusting food manufacturing processes, I never went back. While the average consumer realizes the health repercussions of fast food, I don't think they realize the gravity of the situation.

I'm all for greater awareness.

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Pink slime, please. How about McDonald's having to label their products which contain Genetically Modified Foods, I bet customers want to know that, I mean yeah tell me about the Pink slime, that is gross and unhealthy. GM foods are dangerous, I know I don't want it in my body.

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When you ask someone who is a toxicologist whether arsenic is deadly, they will usually say it is. When you as a toxicologist the same question, they will be more likely to say it depends on the amount. It's not clear how unsafe pink slime is - the only conjecture is that there are chemicals in it.

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Hey Brent, Thanks for the commen...

Hey Brent,

Thanks for the comment. I just wanted to point out that the article was not about pink slime being unsafe. As mentioned, the FDA classifies it as "generally recognized as safe". I argue that consumers should be aware of how their meat is processed/what it contains so that they can make more informed choices. To some, the fact that pink slime was used at McDonalds and continues to be used at other fast food establishments may not matter. To others, they may find it problematic and may choose to opt for another menu item or another eating establishment. I think we both know that meat doesn't have to be cleaned with ammonia hydroxide to be edible, so why do it? At the end of the day, consumers should be informed about their food.

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  • Brent Butgereit 3 months ago I apologize for not being clearer. ...

I apologize for not being clearer. I'm a fan of information being available, but is having every piece of information worth the cost? When confronted with complex issues (e.g. why it is safe to use ammonia in burger production) they opt for easy answers, safe bets, and avoid otherwise valuable goods

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  • Ayo Oti 3 months ago Regardless of whatever "cost&q...

  • Brent Butgereit 3 months ago A right in what sense? McDonald...

Regardless of whatever "cost" I think consumers still have the right to know so they can make that choice. Something tells me that McDonald's or another establishment wouldn't lose a ton of money, but if it was recognized as a major problem for consumers then its possible that McDonald's or another establishment would change their practices (and McDonald's has done this). McDonald's and other businesses will always respond to the market if their is major loss.

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A right in what sense? McDonald's doesn't have an obligation to tell you anything about what they put in their products, just as you don't have any obligation to purchase them. This isn't a major problem for consumers and legal mandates are only going to keep other competitors out of the market.

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