GOP Candidates Ron Paul & Mitt Romney Should Realize Why We Need Foreign Aid

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GOP Candidates Ron Paul & Mitt Romney Should Realize Why We Need Foreign Aid

On Thursday, Bill Gates promised $750 million to The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, which recently has lost donor appeal — and, as of Tuesday, also it’s executive director — because of corruption in the countries it operates. Gates announced at the World Economic Forum that neither these charges nor the tough economic climate are an  “excuse for cutting aid to the world’s poorest.” Gates’ commitment to foreign aid in any and all circumstances represents the opinion of most Americans who support foreign assistance for moral and national security reasons. Foreign aid costs only 1% of the federal budget, yet GOP candidates consistently criticize the practice, threatening to cut it off completely or, as in the case of Mitt Romney, imply that the U.S. should leave it to countries like China to “take care” of poverty. If current GOP candidates properly understood the American public and foreign aid, they would tone down their hawkish stance on overseas assistance and acknowledge the benefits of contributing to aid organizations like The Global Fund.

According to a recent World Public Opinion report and the 2010 Chicago Council on Global Affairs poll, a strong majority of Americans support the provision of “food and medical assistance” (74%) and “aid to help needy countries to develop their economies” (62%) even in economic downturns. U.S. citizens believe that developed nations have a “moral responsibility” to help poorer countries and to take measures that support their democratic ambitions. In addition, most respondents said that helping developing countries is good for the America’s own economic growth.

It is for these reasons that President George W. Bush, President Bill Clinton, and Gates put up serious cash for the creation of The Global Fund, a multilateral financing organization that disburses grants directly to national governments. In 2010, The Global Fund suffered a cash shortfall and the U.S. renewed their commitment by increasing their contribution by 40% to $4 billion — far higher than any other country — because the return on investment was obvious. In just 10 years, The Global Fund financed AIDS treatment for 3.5 million people; diagnosed and treated 8.6 million cases of TB; distributed 230 million bed nets; and saved 7.7 million lives.

For all the criticism Bush received for his foreign policy, he understood the importance of foreign aid and was generous with it. He established the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, which outside the Global Fund, has done more than any other organization to support global antiretroviral treatments. Unfortunately, his peers in the GOP primaries do not get share the same understanding of foreign aid’s importance. In November, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said, "I think the aid is all worthless. It doesn't do any good for most of the people. You take money from poor people in this country and you end up giving it to rich people in poorer countries."

Paul’s contempt for corruption is understandable, but the beneficiaries of The Global Fund’s work would disagree that foreign aid only benefits the rich. Further, donors like the World Bank mandate internal controls and interventions that make corruption less rampant and easier to find. In fact, The Global Fund’s own investigators pinpointed the $32 million of misused funds in their programmatic work, which is only a 0.3% rate of lost monies on $13 billion of disbursed grants. The possibility of theft is a reason to include parallel accountability measures such as those prescribed by President Bush, not to deny the poor life-saving interventions.

In addition, corruption is a leading cause behind a country’s stagnant growth and destabilization. Investing in a nation’s internal stability pays direct dividends to U.S. national security. This is lost on GOP candidates who prefer war mongering over a sophisticated use of 21st century diplomatic tools.

David Solimini of the Truman National Security Project explains, “America’s power relies on more than our military might. Foreign aid makes the world safe and stable for America, ensuring that problems overseas stay small and stay over there. America should never hand all of the power and influence that comes with foreign aid to China as Mitt Romney suggests. From the Marshall Plan and the Berlin Airlift, to building schools in Afghanistan and vaccinating children in Africa, foreign aid has made America respected as the world’s great power.”

If the GOP is serious about maintaining U.S. leadership in the world, they need to participate in multilateral aid mechanisms like The Global Fund. More importantly, to win over the American people — and private philanthropists like Gates — they should understand that helping poor nations is a strong value to which citizens adhere. Without this clarity, they not only risk losing votes but also compromising our national security.

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Seamus, just curious. Have you always been so hellfire and brimstone? I'm just wondering.

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Btw, It is time America ends it's govt. enforced "welfare for nations" programs. Especially when our own welfare is going down the tubes. Don't look to Romney for the answers; for that, we need Ron Paul!

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For any and all who do not truly understand our economy and where the money comes and goes, please search you-tube for "The American Dream - How our Money system is corrupted " and take 30 mins. to watch it. All the other arguments are secondary as you'll see....http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature

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G. Washington, a hero of libertarians, payed tribute and ransom to Barbary Pirates and sent troops to force people pay their whiskey tax. B. Franklin, another darling, supported the payment. T. Jefferson sent the US Navy to subdue the Pirates against the wishes of Congress and expanded the Presidency with the "illegal" land grab for western expansion. J. Madison enacted the first revenue legislation and caused a depression in the US because of his unwillingness to act against the British and French disrupting our merchant shipping. Madison spoke out against the disruptive states' rights influences that by the 1830's threatened to shatter the Federal Union. Actions speak louder than words. States and local govt fail their people through -CNP

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discriminatory policies, laws and administration of laws. We've had the right to tax people to raise money for our common good since the beginning of the constitution and every President has enforced that right by making people pay the taxes enacted into law. And most people in America don't believe James Madison when he says, "Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." Most Americans believe in an obligation to our neighbor and that government has a part to play both in distribution from the wealthiest to the poorest and in the fairness that the states and local government have failed on many levels. The discriminatory laws being passed by states still show their inability to fairly treat the poor and oppress the weak!

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I hope liberals understand that supposed peace-monger Ron Paul is against the United Nations, against government humanitarian aid, and against emergency assistance for countries suffering from natural disasters.

He can smile and act "folksy" all he wants, but the reality is that his policies would lead to the suffering of millions of people. I mean - I guess he just waves that all away and tells himself, "Once we have a libertarian utopia, none of these problems will exist anyway, because the invisible hand will fix them." So I guess that's his self-rationalization. That's what gets him off the hook and transforms him from a blood thirsty sociopath to a folksy "principled" libertarian.

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  • Darcy Sykes 4 months ago He is against GOVERNMENT humanitari...

  • Gautam Sampathkumar 4 months ago Ron paul is against giving up US so...

He is against GOVERNMENT humanitarian aid. That is the key word. He feels they are inefficient and vulnerable to 'agendas.' But, he is completely for charity, aid and volunteerism by private organizations and individuals. He has trust in the American people to take care of others, not the gov't.

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  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago You realize that the US has an over...

You realize that the US has an over-riding veto at the UN so they can't impose in any way any binding action we don't want? That sounds like sovereignty to me.

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  • Joe Jones 4 months ago The Kyoto protocol. which if we had...

  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago Well, that is my point. Our democra...

  • Joe Jones 4 months ago It's against the constitution ...

The Kyoto protocol. which if we had agreed to it, would have put American businesses under the jurisdiction of international forces, thus giving away our sovereignty.

GWB didn't agree to, and we are not bound to it(one of the few good things GWB did), however many people did and do want to agree to it, and if they had, then it would be a loss of sovereignty.

So the potential to do such is definitely there.

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Well, that is my point. Our democratically elected government made the choice not to accept the protocol. We are never legally bound to any protocol we don't agree with. If our democratically elected government would accept a protocol we don't agree with, they'll be replaced in an election.

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It's against the constitution to agree to such things. Not that it actually matters anymore.

Elections are awful for bringing about change. We can't get simply things like Gitmo closed, or the stopping of our foreign policy, much less something like a loss of sovereignty to the UN. Sad but true.

I have no faith in our elections.

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Then don't vote! Our Constitutional democracy will survive.

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Money given to the Global Fund is not foreign aid, per se. That money is directed toward a specific purpose. Judging by your article, a medical purpose.

Foreign aid is money given directly to foreign governments. THAT is money wasted.

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Romney's assertion that we should leave foreign aid to China I find a little baffling and an indicator of his lack of expertise on foreign policy/international relations. To maintain hegemony, which most in the government and many citizens want for the U.S., whatever influence can be wielded that is positive is in our favor. Better to be known for saving lives than being military interventionist.

As for how aid gets dispersed and is assessed for effectiveness, I think that calls for a different conversation. But foreign aid is, as mentioned, around 1% of GDP, that is not that much nor is if enough to drastically improve the lives of Americans like some think it might if we didn't give foreign aid at all.

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I cannot stand behind a piece where Americans should be 'forced' to give to charity. We already are through taxation and redistribution through government programs.
While I give credit to the author for recognizing one of the few silver linings to Bush's presidency (he did amazing things to slow down the progress of AIDS and Malaria in Africa) I cannot stand the thought of someone saying "you must give to this."

I for one get enough taxes taken out of my meager paycheck. I doubt any US president would stop all humanitarian aid, but I for one want to stop giving it to countries that aren't too friendly to us. It's time to start being a little more Machiavellian, and realistic about whats needed.

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  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago I'll pose the same question I ...

  • Michael Weiss 3 months ago You must also recall, Jesse, that C...

I'll pose the same question I did to Seamus in a milder tone, since you're actually taking the idea of debate seriously. You don't think it's in our interest to build stability through developed and secure markets? I'd reference the comment I made on the comparison to housing prices.

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  • Jesse Merkel 4 months ago I think it's in our interest t...

I think it's in our interest to stop giving money to countries that don't use it well and don't like us. It'd go on a nation-by-nation basis. Why the F*** do we give aid to China?

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Roger that on China. If you put a man in space, you don't need US aid anymore. That said, state department programs are still important. The Cold War was won in part because we were able to defeat the Soviet Union culturally (Red Army Choir lost to 80's pop). I'm not saying we're in a cold war now, but ensuring the PRC's future generations are exposed to our narrative is an important part of de-fanging their bizarre and contradictory government.

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So it's ok to force Americans to charity so long as you agree with who receives it?

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so long as the majority of Americans agree with it. democracy in action.

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That's exactly why were ARE NOT a democracy.

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You must also recall, Jesse, that Colin Powell insisted that condoms and other educational aspect of HIV/AIDS prevention be a part of our policy. W didn't like that very much.

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Who are you to steal from your neighbor, and give to someone else?
Even if the aid -did- reach the intended people (which it usually doesn't), what gives you the moral authority to take an American's wealth at the barrel of a gun, and then throw that wealth overseas?

Let the private charities perform their tasks.
If you fancy yourself a charitable individual, give up a portion of your wealth (or all of it) to these causes. But don't expect me to sign away my property rights because you think it'll be good PR.

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Seamus, just curious.
Have you always been so hellfire and brimstone? I'm just wondering.

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Why does it matter?
Have you always been a neoconservative?

But I'll take that as a compliment.

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I don't consider myself a Neoconservative. It always amazes the libertarian-leaning people throw that word around, without realizing it's Anti-Semitic roots.

I want to throw most foreign aid out the window, as well as reduce a few cabinet positions and cut a few trillion out of the budget. I support the Ryan Plan and want to dramatically overhaul SS and medicare.

So I want a strong military, that doesn't mean I want more wars. I'd close down a few military bases, but not all. But I'm not going to be so naive as to say that if we withdraw that radical jihadists will be nice. Look at history. They've hated the west for 100's of years before there was an Israel or U.S. I'm not a warmonger. I just consider myself cautious.

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Anti-Semitic root? It's a name neoconservatives coined for themselves. Not everyone elses fault they ruined the name. Same reason the don't call themselves Rockefeller Republicans anymore, and who knows what name they'll come up with next to ruin.

Before there was an Israel or US, there was this thing called the British Empire. Quit cutting off history where it's convenient for you. Ever heard of the crusades. Try 1000's of years.

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What even is your argument? Your counter to his statement was esentially, "there is stuff." How does arbitrary things counter what he said? You have to actually connect the British Empire, the Crusades, and your arbitrary time-period to an argument. You may as well say, "ever hear of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? Yeah, try a month and 13 hours. I love lamp."

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Not my fault you don't know history. I don't mind helping people, but I don't at all appreciate being scolded for your ignorance on the topic.

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You're seriously suggesting your ability to name random historical things means you understand history? "Hadrian's wall, Siege of Stalingrad, the Olmecs"... see! I guess we both "know" history. No one is "cutting off" history... When I talk about what I ate for lunch does that require me to talk about what baby food I had as a child? Debate breaks down when you response is to be more random than a side-reference in a Family Guy episode.

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*your response is more

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Well, they aren't random events, and I wasn't even talking to you in my original comment. If you'd like to go educate yourself on the history of the middle east so that you know why they aren't random, then be my guest.

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Again, you didn't make a point. You just said random things without linking them together or parsing out a real argument. I'd love put up a defense to my own knowledge on the topic, but you've done a better job illlustrating the balance of our relative knowledge. I don't need to start waxing poetic about history to do that.

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He said "Look at history. They've hated the west for 100's of years before there was an Israel or U.S. "

You have the middle east, and you have British empire, european influence(the west), and you have before WWII.

I'm honestly not sure what else you need on the topic.

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You also have the dominance of the Sublime Porte, the fall of the Byzantines, the invasion of Spain by the Moors, and inter-related violence created by Baluchistan's antipathy towards perceived punjabi violence. It's far more complicated than just pointing to the West.

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Well said! I would have said more but sometimes people on here make me just throw my hands up and go "bah!" lol - thanks man! :)

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Did you notice he said "and you have before WWII" as if it was an argument? From 2001's Monolith to Danzig is a bit much. I guess he's hoping that, lacking a real argument, I'll go back into history for him and pick pieces out.

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Seamus, do you even understand what foreign aid is for? It's the same as paying for the firemen. Granted, you personally may not have a fire, but it makes the whole town safer, which benefits you. It's called "blow back", that term you like to use all the time. National Security is far more subtle than just protecting the country from Red Dawn.

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  • Joe Jones 4 months ago That's not what blowback means...

That's not what blowback means at all. Blowback is the unintended consequences from foreign policy actions that they public doesn't know about.

And nobody is blaming the US for them being hungry or in need.

Just a horrible argument sorry.

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  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago Blowback is reaction, and I am maki...

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Blowback is reaction, and I am making a point. I know the technical meaning. That said, complaining how I use the word then knocking down a straw man (I didn't say anyone blamed us) isn't an actual counter-argument. To call the argument horrible, you have to actually attack it, not peck at the periphery.

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The point that nobody is blaming us is evidence to the fact it's no where near "blowback", not that you said it.

But at any rate, your entire argument operates under the false dichotomy that only via government can things be done.

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Ok, again, I am not using it correctly on purpose. You've missed the point entirely. Also, I never said only the government can get things done, even though that's not a dichotomy, it's an assertion. At least I'm not completely abusing "blow back." You're just throwing out random words now.

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You are saying either we have foreign aid via government, or we are going to get consequences.

Not sure what else to tell you.

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I am saying that action and inaction has both intended and unintended consequence, which is irrefutable.

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"Inaction" is, essentially, an action. It's a conscious choice with its own outcomes. That we can agree.

The difference between interventionism and noninterventionism is that interventionism is the policy we have pursued for the past hundred years, with an absolutely disastrous result.

How many more regimes and wars and losses of wealth will be needed to satisfy you? When will you be willing to step back and think? This idea that we can control the world is destroying us, and to continue the same policy year after year is the definition of insanity.

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But you directed the consequences back to America and made it a matter of national security.

Which is false on both accounts.

It comes back on America when we do things that make it worse, not from minding our own business.

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Yeah, that's right.We just shouldn't have stopped Hitler. We just should have stood idly by while millions more perished.

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Also, it's not about "controlling" the world. It's about developing our nation's defenses so that we can adequately address all threats. The barbarians waiting at the gate will attack once you assume your ideals will pacify them!

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Do you know how and why Hitler got into power to start with? It wasn't because everyone was just standing by.

And when we did get into that war, it wasn't for the reasons you are citing.

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The fact you call the people of the countries you are invading "barbarians" pretty much says it all.

I'll believe it's not about controlling the world when they quit trying to control my world. As it is, I'm forced to bail out the bankers who caused the economic problems, I'm forced to pay for wars that kill innocent people, and I'm forced to support things which I believe go against the best interests of the country.

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Joe,

I'm not actually referring to people of other countries as "barbarians." It's often a phrase that is used when discussing the fall of the Roman Empire, when enemies are awaiting at the gates of your city.

Also, I'm quite aware of my history. My point is that there are instances when intervention is necessary.

Additionally, I'm not saying we live in a perfect society. Which wars are you referring to?

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But you are referring to them as such, and it's all a gross misrepresentation of the modern world. If we were simply guarding our gates, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

If you are to the point where intervention is needed, then it's the result of a long line of complete failures. Most times intervention is needed as a result of previous interventions. Trade stops wars, sanctions create them.

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I don't think it's a misrepresentation at all. We have a lot of threats facing us. I simply don't buy the argument that trade will solve all problems. You aren't taking into accounts hostile ideologies, etc.

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Of course you aren't saying we live in a perfect society, as a matter of fact it's your entire basis for intervention in the first place.

Hitler got into power as a result of the treaties that put the hardships on Germany after WWI. Sanctions hurt the people, not the elite ruling class. Of course they are going to follow the leader that is most against that which is hurting them. Same things we do.

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The majority of people in this world do not have hostile ideologies. They are lead around by a small % who get others to fight for them.

If China attacked us tomorrow and took over our government, we would elect that which is most harsh to China. Yeah we know they are a bit extreme, but they fight for us and that makes them better. It's no different for them.

But no, instead we pretend like that guy in Iran is elected randomly.

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My discussion is about sanctions. It's that intervention is necessary at times. Like we did in World War II to stop Hitler. Plain and simple.

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I never said the majority in this world are hostile to us. But we do need to be prepared at all times. You can't retreat from the world and expect trade to solve everything. It just doesn't work that way at all.

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Should we instead pat those that attack us on the back and applaud them for a job well done? I think not!

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Do you think it's the leaders and military of the country that suffers when resources become scarce, or do you think it's the people.

In these times of economic resssion today, is the military spending that is in ression, or is the economy of the people?

Sanctions are horrible. Just look at North Korea. Yeah, that's really working.

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The only people that attacked us were from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, living in Afghanistan at the time.

You live in a fantasy land.

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Right, let's just forget the whole "Taliban" thing. They aren't significant at all.

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They didn't attack us, we attacked them.

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The good ol' Hitler argument. Godwin's law at its finest.

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Seamus, I'm not claiming moral authority to take a fellow American's hard-earned money 'at the barrel of a gun.' Charity is personal and should not be forced. Foreign aid is smart foreign policy and happens to be a humanitarian value that a majority of Americans believe in and of which GOP should take notice.

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I think you're saying it's right that the democratically elected government use legal tax revenue to fund programs that ensure security and build friendships to prevent wars, disasters, and the like that would undermine the prosperity and security of US citizens. They always use "blowback" to refer to our policies, but it goes both ways. Cutting aid to, say, Pakistan could blowback through an insecure nuclear stockpile that gets stolen by enemies

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We need to be clear that foreign aid is not charity.
Charity is voluntary. Foreign aid is asking a politician (in this case, a GOP candidate) to take what was stolen (taxes) and send it somewhere.

I'm not just arguing against mandatory foreign aid.
I'm also arguing against forced taxation itself.

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  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago You are right, foreign aid is not c...

  • Joe Jones 4 months ago Foreign aid is nothing but a tool a...

  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago You're accusing ME of just &qu...

You are right, foreign aid is not charity. Foreign aid is a tool of the rational interests of our country trying to build stability and development that builds a kind of global environment in which we can all succeed. You aren't forced to pay taxes, you can always move into the woods or jungle and live off the land, not using the public services such as policing, roads, and EMT services that are normally provided.

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Foreign aid is nothing but a tool and way to funnel cash into the MIC. The majority of foreign aid that we give comes with the conditions that they must spend that money with the US in the form of exports, usually weapons.

Africa receives less than 1% of foreign aid, despite being used most often as justification for it.

The entire premise for foreign aid is something you've basically completely made up.


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You're accusing ME of just "making it up" and you're throwing out tin-foil-hat explanations of foreign aid as a tool of an insideous the military-industrial-complex and vague innacuracies about what foreign aid is used for? Yes, most foreign aid comes with conditions since it's supposed to be incentivizing a kind of action or trying to solve a problem, but most aid is in fact NOT for military. Total FMF is about 4 million dollars. The mistake you've made is thinking that just by saying something enough you can makes it true.

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Dude, it's called a 450 character limit. I am not sure where you get this idea that I am supposed to sit here and give you a history lesson with every post, yet this is day 2 of you doing this.

Go freaking Google it. You have the entire internet at your fingers, go research it.

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So now it's my job to build as WELL as demolish your arguments? You are, in fact, actually expected to make a clear and logical argument.

"To get the right word in the right place is a rare achievement. To condense the diffused light of a page of thought into the luminous flash of a single sentence, is worthy to rank as a prize composition just by itself...Anybody can have ideas--the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph."
-Mark Twain

Step your it up.

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All you have to do is spend 2 minutes, Google "where foreign aid goes", and you'll be greeted with multiple links of data and articles that show the same things.

None of which are as short as a paragraph.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/1642

http://humanosphere.kplu.org/2011/02/where-and-to-what-does-foreign-aid-money-go/

/shrug.

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And it would take your two minutes to choose your most important points and word them in a concise manner. That's how professionals do it. The Wall Street Journal Op-Ed page has 450 word articles that sum up entire swaths of material. I've made my points concise, cogent, and clear; your brilliant response is "go look at google." Either you don't have a real argument, are unable to understand your own argument, or you're more interested in being against something than making your own point.

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450 characters, not words. 450 words would be on average about 5 times as many characters as I'm given here.

I'm not trying to be an expert or even a journalist. I'm already employed and I'm happy with my job.

You are a jerk.

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Seamus nails it.

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If Ron Paul wants to prevent Americans from donating, then you could say he is against foreign aid.

He is against government sponsored foreign aid. There is a difference.

Government is good willing me to death.

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Great article, but I think it's important that outside mere leadership, how it directly impacts our security militarily and economically really needs to be hit home for many voters. It's like housing prices in a neighborhood. If you help your elderly neighbor fix their roof. Yes, it's "free work" but you directly impact the value of your own home by maintaining the neighborhood. Helping others really does help us.

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  • Jaed Deaj 4 months ago Then be as charitable as you want w...

Then be as charitable as you want with YOUR money. That doesn't entitle you to my paychecks, which is exactly what govt. enforced "giving" really is. You, on the other hand, have confused armed robbery with charity and think you stand on the moral high ground...

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  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago Government enforced giving? You mea...

Government enforced giving? You mean like the community defense provided by our armed forces? The defense of the realm is, as I've said, far more complicated in this globalized world with state corporations, unstable nuclear-armed frontiers, and wild leftists than defending against a Red Dawn.

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  • Jaed Deaj 4 months ago Well, that depends... when you say ...

  • Jaed Deaj 4 months ago Another problem, why do we have a &...

  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago Security is hardly as simple as jus...

Well, that depends... when you say "You mean like the community defense provided by our armed forces?" are you thinking of the trillions we sent to Iran/Iraq in one shipment just to have it all disappear? Is that defense spending? or a billion for an embassy in Iraq? Does that secure OUR BORDERS?

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Another problem, why do we have a "realm" that we are trying to defend? We spend more than any other 5 countries combined, including China, and why are we footing the bill for being the world's policemen when we don't have to be.

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Security is hardly as simple as just a border, although the border is a whole new Pandora's box of discussion.

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So we have to patrol an empire, attempting to do what led to Rome's fall, while our own nation crumbles so that we can build other nations. That does play a part in our economy as well as the money system, the income tax and the welfare and warfare states.

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I use "realm" as a literary flourish, but you also bring up military spending. China, in particular, is misleading, since while we spend 3x more than them, our price basket is arguably 3x more expensive. That said, yes, we do have to patrol the world if you want to live in a free market that is not held hostage by those who do not play by the rules. Our nation crumbling has no bearing on our military spending, and Rome fell not because of it's empire, but because it refused to adapt, integrate internal populations, and allowed its military to grow weak.

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I think you missed the point: we go broke trying to stay in war after war .... THAT does affect the economy. Who will be our bank? China.... Iran-nukes doesn't matter for the same reason that China has them, frmr. ussr, why isn't anyone blowing themselves up with them when we trade with them....

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You've missed the point. I prefer to have the force that ensures I don't need to go to war. There are plenty of conflicts that have NOT happened or not escalated to far, China-Taiwan, further Korea, Egypt-Israel, Colombia, Cold War, Yugoslavia, in part because we either have a preponderance of force or became engaged with each side in mil-mil relations. Those forces must be forward deployed if they are to be readily available and effective deterrence in a world where wars can start and end in a matter of days.

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and in what universe do you imagine that we can foot the bill for it while NOT GOING BANKRUPT as a nation... It is a bad idea from the start. You should look into "blowback" (no that isn't what Gingrich, Santorum, or Romney do in return for political favors :)

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In what universe can't we afford defense? Look at budget statistics for payments of entitlements to individuals versus the defense budget. The contrast is staggering. I know what "blowback" is, and as I've already clearly illustrated, NOT having a forward deployed military can have "blowback." It's a neutral term.

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There's no convincing Mr. Hipple. His profile reads " Currently working in government, fighting a grueling battle against the incompetents trying to waste your taxpayer dollars on appearance and their egos." Evidently he wants to waste our tax dollars on his ego, translating into an unnecessarily bellicose militaristic foreign policy. His type are a dime a dozen in the military industrial complex.

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Oh no! You've discovered my horrible secret I've so ingeniously hidden in a public profile. First, read carefully: "fighting a grueling battle AGAINST... [the] waste of tax dollars." Of course, don't waste your time on my actual argument, attack me. That's how robust debate is done. To quote the unfortunate looking Elanor Roosevelt, in a debate "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."

I would quote the motown classic by saying, you're "standing on shaky ground, ever since you put me down," if you actually were standing on anything.

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Frankly, I do think he has you nailed. At most, you're the typical "American Idol" type voter, ignorant of any weightier matters, settling instead for what has been spoon fed to you by the media in sound bites and articles. I doubt you understand one inkling of the damage posed by the Fed, for ex.

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Btw, I hate sites where, like the left's interpretation of the 1st amendment, (limited) one is only alloted less than @200 chars. I doubt I will reply so have a blast; I'll say along with Paul the apostle (let the ignorant remain ignorant) I do believe your ignorance is invincible in nature!

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Are you serious? Did you READ what I said? You're doing it again, attacking ME and not the point. That said, I've never watched American Idol, I've been around the world, walked through a slum in Dakar, and read the Economist before anything else. When you use baseless ad-hominum to soothe your own inadequacies at REAL debate, you make yourself out to look like a fool. If you're confused, at least admit it. I would be happy to educate you.

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There's no convincing someone that cheerfully endorses the status quot while feeding at the public trough; the conflict of interest is too close to home. You'll either have to figure these things out on your own or wake up when we run out of other people's money to fund this insane foreign policy.

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So you're basically admitting you have no real counter-argument to make and just want the last word? That's alright by me, I'll take the strategic-level victory at having solidly defended actual function of policy rather than its source. Feel free to make some vague assertions about my motives, level of experience, or naivety and talk in empty terms about your vast but seemingly un-communicable knowledge and we'll leave it at that.

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@Matt - The Economist is a big government propaganda rag worshiped by wannabe elitists. Conservatives are waking up and realizing that your ilk's only answer is more government and less liberty and we are tired of footing the bill.

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My inadequecies... Sorry, about 300 characters is not enough to even get warmed up. your travels... Im not impressed... neither by the fact you read the economist. I know one person (Ron Paul!) who predicted our present situation while "economists" where the "sunshine and roses" types...

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@Matt - You want to argue the minutia but the real argument is over tyrannical big-government vs. liberty and the Constitution. You seem favor the former and I the latter. There is no winning this argument.

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Have fun Matt. You may claim "strategic victory" all the while having an empty head. Ciao, puppy. :)

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The importance of humanitarian U.S. foreign aid can not be underestimated. (Please note the word "humanitarian") The question though is how much can the federal budget absorb and how much should private foundations be encouraged to provide. Yes, the foreign aid budget is only just slightly over 1% of the total, however, in times like these, small things can not be overlooked; nickels and dimes add up to dollars. Government provided humanitarian foreign aid shouldn't be abandoned, but we must make sure the dollars the tax payers invest are used properly and that the recipient countries are doing all they can to prevent corruption and/or redirection of those funds away from direct support of the intended use.

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  • Sehreen Noor Ali 4 months ago Douglas, thank you for your comment...

Douglas, thank you for your comment. You make an important point -- how much is too much for someone who is struggling economically? The budget is an inherently political document and these decisions are difficult ones.

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Very good article, Sehreen. I am not going to disagree with any of the statistics or numbers you have shown, but you lose me when you say that Americans should be forced to contribute to foreign aid programs. If you and others want to join together and voluntarily contribute time and money and persuade others to do so, then that's fine, but you lose all credibility when you advocate force to do so. If it is virtuous to help others less fortunate through aid, virtue can only come through a choice; to force someone to make the "right" choice destroys the whole concept of virtue and morality. It is not your ends I disagree with, but your means.

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I would be more inclined to donate to those 50 cent per day charities if the government wasn't already deciding I have to pay that anyways.

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There's so much flawed logic in this piece, written by a former State Dept. flunky. Google "Why Foreign Aid is Hurting Africa" and "Aid to Dependent Dictators" for starters. Beyond the ineffectiveness and corruption with foreign aid, it's unconstitutional and impossible to justify given our needs at home. Let the 72% of Americans that support foreign aid so through voluntarily through charity rather than picking their neighbors' pockets.

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  • Sehreen Noor Ali 4 months ago Zack, an important point I make is ...

  • F Lalani 4 months ago Zack- calling others "flunkies...

Zack, an important point I make is that foreign aid makes our nation more secure. For ex, it gives us international credibility, it addresses structural problems in fragile nations, it keeps us safe from life-threatening diseases. Foreign aid, in fact, is not unconstitutional. It is one of the three pillars (defense, diplomacy, and development) through which the government fulfills its primary responsibility, i.e. defending our nation.

If you're saying that foreign aid must be more effective and transparent, I agree. It has funded dictators and it has been wrought by corruption. This is why people like Administrator Raj Shah are fighting to make our investments more worthwhile: http://www.africagovernance.org/africa/pages/busan

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  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago Sehreen, It's a mighty big st...

Sehreen,
It's a mighty big stretch to say that foreign aid = defense. Where in the Constitution is foreign aid authorized?

US government foreign aid should be eliminated. Whether it's domestically or abroad, government bureaucrats cannot be trusted to effectively spend other people's money. That said, since you've spent 5 years working at the State Dept. I can see how you have this POV. I would rather you put your skills to work for an NGO.

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  • Sehreen Noor Ali 4 months ago Zack, foreign aid does not equal de...

  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago So where in the Constitution is for...

  • Douglas Goodman 4 months ago Zack, This is from Art VI, Sec 2...

Zack, foreign aid does not equal defense in the military sense. Foreign aid contributes to our national security, which defends/protects Americans.

Regarding your consistent swipes at me and government bureaucrats, please find other ways to vent the anger behind your ad hominen attacks. There's no place for it here.

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So where in the Constitution is foreign aid authorized? I'll wait...

Also, I'm not angry at you or government bureaucrats. That you would assume so speaks volumes.

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Zack,

This is from Art VI, Sec 2. My guess is that if a constitutional question about foreign aid ever came up, this is where the interpretation will be based.

Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Doug,
I wish that was the case. I am not aware of much of our foreign aid being transferred under the authority of any treaty. In fact, most foreign aid isn't even budgeted as aid. I would consider our bases in Germany, Japan and Korea as foreign aid, allowing these countries to save billions on defending themselves.

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Continuing... our bases are sometimes of treaties, so they may be nominally Constitutional, but I still think that they are unwise and against the spirit of the Constitution. There's a reason why we don't have explicit amendments permitting foreign occupations and foreign aid; the people would never stand for it if it was subject to the scrutiny of the Constitutional amendment process.

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I guess you're not much of Constitutional scholar. The power of the government to provide for the common defense and all the reasons for foreign aid is known as the Enumerated Powers under Article I. I guess Ron Paul didn't teach you that one.

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Michael, by your logic, what does the federal government do that cannot be justified as defense spending? My overarching point is that foreign aid is not explicitly authorized for good reason.

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It's not my logic! READ THE FIRST ENUMERATED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nothing in the first enumerated power about foreign aid. Typing in caps doesn't change that fact.

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WTFAAYPSS...The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States...To borrow money...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations...To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization...
According to G. Washington (RP darling), "NO MONEY" was the problem with the US government under the Articles of Confederation. Georgia paid nothing and no state paid all of their U.S. taxes to support the confederation.
The states were inadequate to the requirements of sovereignty. State legislatures independently laid embargoes, negotiated directly with foreigners, raised armies and made war. James Madison (another RP darling) -CNP

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angrily questioned whether "the Articles of Confederation was a compact or even government." The entire purpose of the Constitution was to strengthen the US government and prevent the states from acting on their own with foreign entities and get money for the function and sovereignty of the US government. The vision of a "RESPECTABLE NATION" AMONG NATIONS seemed to be fading in the eyes of revolutionaries such as George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Rufus King. The DREAM OF A REPUBLIC with power derived from the people in frequent elections, was in doubt. The Constitution REDUCED THE POWER OF THE STATES and gave US government power to negotiate and pay tribute (foreign aid) to the Barbary Pirates.

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Zack- calling others "flunkies" is completely inappropriate, regardless of how feel of what they write.

You "consult" for IBM to push narrow solutions at an atrocious profit AND poorly aid Americans to brain drain to Asia making you a flunky AND a hypocrite

You sound more like Newt than Mr Paul

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  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago F Lalani - if the shoe fits, then w...

F Lalani - if the shoe fits, then wear it. You must be new to the Internet (this is your first post on Policymic). I think "flunky" is a pretty tame pejorative; perhaps "shill" would have been more appropriate. As for IBM, its revenue comes from voluntary customers that value its services. By contrast the State Dept. is yet another government parasite causing more harm than good.

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  • Michael Weiss 3 months ago You sir are not a gentleman....

You sir are not a gentleman.

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BS. The high percentage of people you cite as being for intl. aid should be able to decide for themselves where and how much to spend.

This is about a government that tells you what to do with your money, this isn't about helping people. Did the govt. force Gates to donate that sum?

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Well done, Sehreen. You are correct that US leadership in the world is built upon more than military superiority: how stupid are we to think that simply by having the most weapons we are then the biggest dog in the park? Hmmm?

The dictionary definition of the simple word "liberal" includes the terms: generous, open and giving. I take that to mean charitable, as well - as in the adage regarding the catching of flies. It's easier with honey. Let us win the hearts and minds of the people of the world who can change the world. Let them see "FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" upon those sacks of flour, cans of cooking oil and malaria nets.

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  • Zach Martin 4 months ago Susan, your heart is in a very admi...

Susan, your heart is in a very admirable place, but all those sacks of flour, oil, and malaria nets didn't change the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian people in the 60's and 70's, or the Somalis in the 90's.

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  • Susan Kraykowski 4 months ago Hello, Zach: welcome to Policymic. ...

  • Douglas Goodman 4 months ago Zach, I believe the aid didn'...

Hello, Zach: welcome to Policymic. Thank you for the compliment.

No, I suppose the Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians in the 60's and 70's weren't especially impressed with our passive/aggressive foreign aid. It did have the military componenet to it - ah yes, I remember it well. I earned my political protest chops back then.

Somalia, too, was one of our more militaristic misadventures...or misadvantageous military aid examples?

In any case, our young friend, Sehreen, was speaking of non-military foreign aid and that is an important distinction.

Some advice from the resident old liberal lady: fill in your profile. The editors won't allow you to be anonymous for very long and they ARE a persnickety bunch. Otherwise, as long as you don't egregiously insult anyone here or use profanity - have at it. Enjoy.

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  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago Susan, Vietnam improved far more af...

  • Susan Kraykowski 4 months ago Agreed, re: Vietnam and Cambodian d...

  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago Susan, nothing wrong with the THAT ...

Susan, Vietnam improved far more after we pulled out and established trade relations than through our condescending handouts of "sacks of flour". Today, Cambodia receives a tremendous amount of foreign investment; the positive results are noticeable (I visited last month). Let's think with our heads and not with our hearts; results matter, and free market capitalism does far more good for these countries than well-meaning charity.

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Agreed, re: Vietnam and Cambodian development but not entirely certain that wasn't at the expense of jobs in the US. Yes, all that outsourcing needs rethinking, too. Results DO matter and nothing stays static. As the Indochinese countries become more developed and their people demand more in the way of salaries, healthcare, social benefits, infrastructure, etc. - AND as fossil fuel for shipping becomes more expensive - the textile jobs and manufactories might be able to move back to the US at more favorable rates. I live in NC, where the mills stand empty, right next to the railway spurs and the mill employees are still here - unemployed. WE grow the cotton that's shipped to Indochina, made into cheap underwear and shipped back here to be sold to people in WalMart - something wrong with THAT picture!

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Susan, nothing wrong with the THAT picture; it all comes down to comparative advantage. The supply chain is optimized to produce products at the lowest cost and at the quality that consumers demand. Here's an interesting POV regarding the demagoguery we have been hearing about "unfair" trade practices from China http://lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams107.html

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It is an interesting article, Zack. I don't have any particular problem with Williams' analysis. What I do have difficulty with is what I mentioned above: moving the jobs overseas and then, 15 - 20 years later, not RE-analyzing to see if that model STILL fits best practices and most efficient/cost-effective ways to do business. Nothing stays static - plus; it just bugs my sense of symmetry to see productive cottonfields a mile from my house and to know that the cotton will be shipped to China, made into Jockey shorts and then shipped back here for sale in WalMart.

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Micced for your open-minded POV. You can be sure that if there's a business opportunity to improve the bottom line by bringing work back to the US, companies will do so or lose out to their competitors. Dell brought back customer service jobs from India a few years ago.

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Who do you think opened up SE Asia to your entrepreneurship! You're one ungrateful, narcissist SOB the DoS and Senate opened up those relationships!

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Zach,
I believe the aid didn't work in the countries you mention because a large part of that aid did not reach the intended people. There were many pictures from Somalia showing the militants driving around in the Toyota pick-ups loaded with the nets and grain being diverted to them.

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I fully support our government giving foreign aid at times of extreme suffering and emergency. Otherwise it should be by referendum.

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  • Zack Fiv 4 months ago So the tyranny of the majority dete...

So the tyranny of the majority determines when to give foreign aid? Sorry, no thanks.

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  • Michael Weiss 3 months ago Thank God you only have one vote! C...

Thank God you only have one vote! Congress determines the level and amount of foreign aid and to what purpose it is used. Run for Congress, then you'll still only have one vote for your constituents, but you'll still be outvoted because as Ron Paul has found in the Congress; a majority don't agree with him about the need for foreign aid.

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The government should neither legislate nor compel morality. I don't doubt Americans will continue to support foreign aid through nonprofit organizations, churches, etc., as they already do. And when they do so, it isn't a political power move. Look at Libya and Yemen and tell me Ron Paul is wrong.

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  • Michael Weiss 3 months ago Ron Paul is wrong and a majority of...

Ron Paul is wrong and a majority of Congressman and Senators believe he is wrong! Non-profits and NGOs are a key conduit to getting the services to the right people and government ensures that they don't discriminate. Constitution can't compel morality, but can tax you and force you to pay. We've been doing it since 1789 and the libertarian darling George Washington sent an Army to collect the Whiskey Tax.

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If Americans are truly that generous then grant us the opportunity to voluntarily give to the gates foundation and other privatly opperated organisations instead of stealing it from our income taxes cause that is what the government thinks we want.

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Ron Paul's statement is completely out of context. He even repeated it in the last debate. He is against MILITARY aid/spending. Hard to take an article seriously when an article about foreign aid concerning diseases blatantly uses a quote that says "the aid" without any context.

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  • Susan Kraykowski 4 months ago Thank you, Nick, for the correction...

  • Matthew Hipple 4 months ago Military aid is incredibly importan...

Thank you, Nick, for the correction. This is an important contribution, but don't discount the article for its mistake.

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Military aid is incredibly important. It's the difference between sobels (soldiers by day, rebels by night) creating mayhem and the professionalization forces that that will maintain stability and increase our stability. It's an ounce of prevention rather than a joint arms campaign of cure.

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