NATO Intervention Will Harm Syria and Region

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NATO Intervention Will Harm Syria and Region

Assad must go.

With reports that Syian President Bashar al-Assad is increasingly using tanks and even helicopters to attack opposition protesters, it is clear Assad is no longer a credible leader who deserves to be head of state. Having consistently broken his promise to the Arab League of reining in the violence against opposition protesters, Assad has proven that not only can he not be trusted, but also that he is a threat to thousands of his own people.

Back in March, the world was faced with a similar dilemma in Libya. Muammar Gaddafi had pledged to hunt down and extinguish the protesters in the East of Libya like rats. Ill-equipped rebels prepared to defend Benghazi as government troops and mercenaries approached. But hours before hundreds of tanks and thousands of pro-Gaddafi loyalists were to lay siege to the city of 600,000, NATO intervened and Benghazi was saved.

Six months later, Libya is free. Yet Assad continues to kill civilians in an attempt to tighten his grip on power.

Thus the question must be asked whether it is time for NATO to once again intervene and employ a similar no-fly zone strategy that ended Gaddafi’s 40-year reign of terror.

Ultimately humanitarians and pro-democracy activists must come to terms with the fact that Syria isn’t Libya and such an intervention would be much more costly – both in terms of money and loss of lives – and not nearly as smooth. With the death toll soaring upwards of 3,500, many Syrians and democracy activists are once again looking to NATO for help. Yet, while as a humanitarian it is excruciatingly difficult not to support another similar mission, now is not the time intervene in Syria. Not yet anyway.

Unlike Libya, Syria’s tribal, religious, and ethnic differences present complicated challenges much more akin to the invasion of Iraq than the outcomes we have seen in North Africa.

As seen by recent large pro-Assad rallies in Damascus, the government still has strong support in the country. The additional combination of deep divisions based on religious and ethnic differences and unwavering allegiances predicated on self-preservation has created a convoluted web of both hostilities and loyalties towards the regime. An intervention in Syria could not only accelerate a possible civil war, it could also lead to an ethnic cleansing.

Further complicating any intervention is the fact that aside from the mainly Kurdish populations in the North, Syrian cities are an amalgamation of ethnic and religious communities. The advantage NATO had in being able to divide Libya between the East and West, mainly by patrolling a few coastal roads, does not exist in Syria. Densely populated towns in close proximity to one another make a NATO mission all the more hazardous, as higher civilian casualties would be inevitable should NATO deploy missiles.

Then, of course, there is the issue of Hezbollah and tribal and political affiliations that extend beyond the Syrian border spilling into the greater Levant. There is a very real possibility of Hezbollah responding by carrying out attacks in Israel or threatening to destabilize Lebanon. With Jordan to the south, Lebanon to the east, Israel to the north and of course the omnipresent influence of Iran, a confluence of events could ignite regional instability in the Levant far worse than the current unrest in Syria.

Such deterrents however could be overcome should the NATO countries be committed to ousting Assad. The problem isn’t a lack of military might or intelligence capabilities, but rather a lack of political resolve. The primary hurdle for any potential military operation is the fact that so far, there is no clear group to save or a unified opposition to back. The protesters are not based in an iconic square or area like they were in Egypt. The people aren’t all against the regime, like they seemingly were in Tunisia, and they have yet to develop a real opposition movement like they did in Libya.

Considering all the perils of any military intervention in Syria, NATO cannot just replace a dictator with no leader or movement ready to assume power and fill the leadership void. That would be unspeakably irresponsible. Yet, the Syrian resistance is woefully disorganized, so much so that the two main groups, the Istanbul based Syrian National Council and the Damascus based National Coordination Committee, can’t even agree on whether they want foreign intervention.

Sadly, both Assad and NATO realize that an intervention at this stage could permanently damage NATO’s credibility and plunge not only Syria, but also perhaps the entire region into greater instability and even war.

Nevertheless, from a purely humanitarian perspective, Assad must be deposed. He is another in a long line of brutal bloodthirsty criminals intent on doing whatever is necessary to maintain power and its only a matter of time before the bloodshed is too difficult to ignore. But before the West gets involve, Syrian opposition must first agree on who and what will come next.

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Agree, David, in part. A conundrum. If NATO is involved, air support alone would almost certainly not be as effective for the reasons you give; boots-on-the-ground would be needed (whether from NATO or elsewhere). I doubt that Assad's support is as strong as you suggest; his Alawi (& Shiite) base is a small minority - 13-15%. Plus his rule has apparently been strong, even harsh, with little room for dissent. Strength of that type can be brittle, & snap when pressure is sufficient & applied correctly. Yes, dedicated political will should be a needed aspect of any real assistance to the Syrian opposition. As for regional escalation - I don't think that's unavoidable, especially if Arab League or other local support might be available.

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I think this article makes a lot of astute points. My only reservation is that it fails to mention that there was a lot more for NATO to gain strategically from intervention in Libya than there is in Syria. Due to that, I do not envisage NATO intervening at all, despite the humanitarian imperative.

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David, there are some key components missing to your analysis.

While I agree, that the brutality of the Assad regime must be stopped, and maybe democracy introduced, it is pure fiction to realistically expect this.

Libya is not free, and Qatari support for the rebels did manage to stem Qaddafi's advance. NATO helped, but on-the-ground help was the main factor that stemmed the Qaddafi tide. It is not out of the question that another charismtic colonel might take power there in the short-medium term when Libyans find out they suddenly have to work for a living.

Second, Russia does not figure at all in your analysis. When you read 'pressure mounts on Syria' or something to that effect, here's what it means: Russia said, don't touch...

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  • Georgi Ivanov 6 months ago Moscow is one factor above Damascus...

  • David Dietz 6 months ago Georgi, I agree with you as to pa...

  • David Dietz 6 months ago Secondly, as to Russia... Russia ha...

Moscow is one factor above Damascus and Teheran. Assad is in the Russian sphere of influence. They also have an important port on the coast whose position is strategic, because it is one of few access points the Russians have to warm waters...

You must implicate these variables to explain why NATO won't touch Syria.

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Georgi,
I agree with you as to part one. That is what my article is about...That right now it's impossible to affect change in Syria but that hopefully we can down the road.

Lastly, I disagree completely with your assessment of Qatari support. Benghazi was saved because of NATO. Advances were made along the coast bc of NATO. Gaddafi was captured because of NATO. Period. Libyans admit this. Having been in Benghazi I saw all the tanks that NATO took out. I heard the people say this. Qataris did not stem the Qaddafi tide. Sorry but no way.

NATO is the sole reason that the rebels are in control. They did not stand a chance w/o them. I am glad Qatar helped, but they did not have nearly the impact NATO did. Any success is NATO's role.

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Secondly, as to Russia... Russia has no bearing on the article. This article is about the immense challenges NATO would face and why they shouldn't intervene. I agree with you Russia plays a role, but it has nothing to do with the logistics of why a NATO strike wouldn't be appropriate.

Now should the Arab League ask NATO to be involved similarly to Libya (and it will have to get A LOT worse) then yes, persuading Russia to go along with it or at the very least dealing with Russia should they chose to circumnavigate them, will be tricky and delicate diplomacy. But this article is more as to why a mission won't work regardless of the support it has.

Do you think Russia would really object if the Arab League requested NATO?

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David, thank you the response.

NATO enforced in a no-fly zone in Serbia as well and that did not stop the genocides on the ground. While it helps, air power alone will not solve matters. Somebody has to get dirty to finish the job, and the coordination of the rebels was mainly a Qatari show - else they would not stand a chance - and that is essential for ousting a leader. As I recall, Qaddafi was not killed by a plane...
But, my impressions are based off news reports - I was not in Benghazi myself.

Russia would certainly object to an Arab League request to NATO. Why? You see said league applying diplomatic pressure, but they are not launching their own 'human rights' mission in Syria. It isn't in their purvue, but just the mere freez...

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ing of Syrian membership is largely meaningless in an organization that's more of a talking shop than anything else.

I still support your stance that a mission won't work, for the reasons you outlined - but it's not because it might destabilize the Mideast as a motivation, but rather Russia's objection to it.

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Georgi, I don't see Russian impact as make or break in this venture. Direct Russian control/influence has receded further north, and Moscow's continued interest or impact in the Med region is via proxy. Russian demographics will soon be little larger than Japan. Whether Russia would approve of NATO or League activity vis-a-vis Syria is one thing, but I doubt that Russia would be able, or perhaps even willing, to literally stand in the way of such activity.

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They don't have to stand in the way at all. Export gas prices will just go up 20% overnight; I think you're aware of Nordstream opening recently....

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Georgi - more concerning Russia:

The entire int'l relationship "equation" is shifting. It is moving south, also both east and west, from Moscow. Pakistan is already larger than Russia (demographically), and the immense power and presence of India is now beginning to be felt throughout that region, not to mention China.

While EU may be going through some transition stages, it is also emerging as a major "block", not to mention NATO.

Russia may indeed have something to say regarding Syria, but whether or not its message will be heard, as it might desire or intend, is something else altogether.

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George, we are getting a tad off topic, but...

Pakistan is ethnically diverse and very unstable - neither it, China or India are resource-rich countries and that is a significant strategic weakness for each. High demographics are precisely a liability more than a strength in this respect.

I think Russia will play with the EU on a much deeper level in this century...will be curious to see where that dynamic goes.

Where we disagree is precisely that I think Russia's voice in repsect ot Syria is the definitive reason for NATO inaction on the matter. Only, it's veiled with the 'mounting pressure' you read in the news about. Else Assad would have been bombed into the annals of dictator history by now.

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Off topic, yes, Georgi, but you raised it!

Demographics can be a liability, but also a strength; human capital, knowledge, ingenuity. And per capita lifestyles will eventually catch up. Afghanistan is loaded w/natural resources, as should be Pakistan.

Indeed, Russia will forge dynamics with EU, also the Stans, eventually Japan, and - as it can - w/China. And U.S. with OAS, EU, and PacRim.

Changing dynamics.

If there is a residual Russian presence in Syria, it's about to end. NATO has other concerns on its plate aside from Russian druthers regarding an important peg in the Mid East. The Arab League, I think, also pertains in this regard, if not due to current influence, then to future possibilities.

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Not to cut in, and somewhat off topic as well, but the demographics can be seen either way. The very negatives associated with certain demographics, including the need to address the needs of so many people, are "positives" in terms of instability and the need for expansion beyond one's borders. It is the need to obtain additional natural resources, for example, that also provide the impetus to "make mischief" around the world.
All 3 meet

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George, you're adopting rather sweeping assertions here. A per capita lifestyle for China, for instance, would have to be correlated with the GDP per capita size of the US. For that, China's economy would have to be equivalent to the size of today's global economy. Consider, for instance, would any Western power allow that to happen?

Don't divide up the world map just yet. Russia might become a member of a PacRim economic community if the Honolulu summit is any indication, the US-China dynamic will be one of the most important in the 21st century, and Japan is still a US protectorate - the picture is more complex that you propose. EU and Russia will compete in the Stans as well.

www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3319934.htm

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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3319934.htm

These two linke give an overview of the Russian stakes in Syria. It is not serious to suggest that any presence Moscow has is residual.

Any NATO will action will have to be legitimized through the UN. China and Russia vetoed a resolution concerning Syria already. That alone is enough reason NATO will only watch what Assad does...

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Georgi, China's growth and maturation will not be determined by whether or not anyone else will "let them" do that. Don't be absurd.

Japan as a US protectorate? I hadn't heard it phrased quite that way - Japan has a mind of its own, and it's very mindful that it's closest neighbor will soon be the most powerful entity on the planet (and I don't mean Korea). It's also very mindful of its maritime economic zones, which China likes - potential for friction.

Anyway, lots of changes coming, and you and I see the world through very different lenses.

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Georgi, Russia may well want to hold the clock back for benefit of Assad, and Moscow's, own interests. But there are other interests at play here as well, namely those of the Arab peoples who actually live there, and the Arab League that doesn't want this festering sore to remain an open wound, and NATO who would like the Middle East to not be a powder keg.

Moscow may be against sanctions, but do you really expect Russian troops to battle with Assad's forces in the streets of Syria? I don't think so. And if they do, then that conflict will widen, and Moscow would not want that, either.

Time is moving forward and southward, Georgi. Russia is north.

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On the contrary - China isn't outside of the global system. External factors do affect how much it can grow and in what directions. Japan's relationship with America is in fact preventing outright leadership moves in SE Asia by Tokyo - and we know that the last time it happened, Japan became a regional hegemon.
That relations with China are tense historically - that will not change between the two countries.

The fact remains that Syria is in the Russian sphere of influence and that is a deciding factor - it is pointless to argue otherwise.

You need to look deeper than surface impressions. Time moves forward irrespective of us, but the political trends are far from just southward.

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Georgi, you-re still in the 20th century. But that's not where we are.

Japan will never again attempt an East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, at least not until China recedes again - perhaps in another 2-3 centuries. But by then we'll likely have world govt. But China might try to do that, although historically China has not been expansionist (the Mongols were). But China does think it owns the entire South China Sea - which could be interesting.

"Syria within Russian sphere of influence" - perhaps, but what does that mean? That won't stop action in support of Arab Spring vis-a-vis Syria. Just today the Arab League suspended Syria's membership - the League is tired of this nonsense, & UN (& NATO) now have more room to maneuver.

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certainly has a role, a significant role to play in the future - but it will not be analogous to what the USSR tried to do. Russia will be a regional player, interacting with EU, the Stans, China, S. Asia when it can, and whoever else.

The Super powers will be first and foremost China. Then India or perhaps S. Asia (India, Pak, Bangladesh), then EU & USA. I don't think Brazil & Russia will qualify for that definition by themselves. & possibly only China will be a superpower, with all others regional. The world is very different, Georgi, from your perception.

UN Security Council should rethink permanent members: EU instead of UK & France, India, possibly Japan & Brazil, & maybe Pakistan (when they get their act together).

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George, you're freely forecasting global future...neither you, nor I have the capacity to do that, so it works to weaken your position.

You're missing my point about Japan. It has the capacity for leadership regardless of the form - be it conquering empire or multilateralism. That capacity also exists in the 21st century, but is rather constrained by the connection with the US.

The world is moving towards multilateralism, but your assessment is still inaccurate. This isn't 1945, anymore. There is no single superpower. China does not have the capacity to underwrite a global system - do set your watch forward 66 years.

For one, America still has 20% of the global economy. That influence is not going away anytime soon...

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It will be a multilateral world of superpowers. I've raised the question of China's superpower status in several of my articles. Relatively, it may become the most influential, but absolutely, will likely set global trends in concert with other major powers.

Although, I can agree that the UNSC needs modernization through expansion. But, again, I suggest you don't speculate who might get what spot.

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Georgi, Japan may have capacity for leadership (people, infrastructure), but not reality (China). USA is not holding Japan down or back. Rather, Japan is helping USA (& the globe) vis-a-vis interaction with China; also, more & more, Japan will likely find a normal & quite active interaction with China, but will also retain its own identity.

Multilateralism has always been real, even during the Cold War, & is now coming into its own.

Correct - there is not, now, any one single superpower, although many still want to call USA a superpower. China is fast approaching that status, & arguably already is; China will soon be the largest & most capable superpower, regardless of military capability she may or may not have at any given moment.

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I am still skeptical of the Arab League's independence as an actor. A Russian sphere of influence means that Damascus' foreign and domestic policy is influenced by Russian interests and preferences. The incentives: access to cheaper resources, preferrential treatment on arms deals (S-21, S-300?), the Tartus base acting as a deterrent, a certain veto in the UNSC that permits vicious excesses against the population - let me know if you require further explanation.

Arab Spring is a nice idea...until the next set of dictators roll in. The historical democratic precedents in the Mideast are not encouraging.

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As the century progresses, there will be one superpower - China - and regional counterweights (& perhaps 2 or 3 other minor, in comparison, superpowers: USA, EU, India).

You don't want me to speculate?

Well, that is PRECISELY what you are doing. That door swings both ways, Georgi.

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The US-Japan relationship helps both, I agree fully. But, would Japan become a geopolitical competitor to the US in the region through an independent military policy? No.

Much of the tension we see is indeed posturing. I think pragmatic relations will come on top in the end. Multilateralism is indeed accelerating. China was in neither camp for most of the Cold War - much more rudimentary, but still ML...

Military capability will be an influential, but not a deciding factor in giving a country superpower status. I did defend the idea that China does not need to be as strong as the US militarilty to be a superpower...

But global finance almost broke the whole system. Let's picture geopolitics through global finance for a moment...

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I do speculate, sure. But not as freely as you do.

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Georgi - vis-a-vis Syria & Russian preferential military hardware:

You are still in the 20th century. The new Syria may or may not have interest in those items. We shall see.

The Arab Spring is no flash-in-the-pan temporality. There are significant changes occurring with how people understand themselves, their countries, and the world. Can you say "internet" or "TV" or "media" or "education"?

You are also basing your observations on a pessimistic or even a paranoid political viewpoint (that is what we were taught regarding a characteristic of Moscow's world view).

Yes, the Arab League is still not now what it may, and likely will, evolve into. But it is moving in that direction.

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My observations, Georgi, are based on demographics, relationships, historical precedent, emerging patterns, and political evolution - again via precedent. It is entirely consonant with what is now happening around the globe.

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Yes, agree. Finance is an important ingredient. And when China per capita catches up to developed world standards (and it will), then we might all need to buckle our seat belts.

Yes, again, with pragmatism. But raw power is still raw capability, and China will have it. The question is, how will she use it? Which is why the rest of us will be posturing in regional relationships. Very important.

Global finance right now is fragile. It will not stay that way forever. And China might even fix it, or help to fix it, for us. Ironic. China needs us, now, as we need China. Hopefully it will remain like that. Again, we shall see.

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The world has largely caught up to the West. Take off the unipolar glasses you wore in college. The world is too complex for a single superpower and America remains a potent force in many respects and will continue to be one for some time to come - despite the troubles that have beset it in recent years.

Love the communist crack. Get over yourself - I've seen better. I'm as euphoric about democracy as the next guy - but democracy is a long-term thing. Just saying.

Internet, TV, media and education are for mass consumption. Evidently, you're very good at saying them. Communciation may have changed perceptions, but the truth about how the world works lies in dusty archives, not in the net. Can you say 'book'?

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We shall see, for sure. China per capita income, to catch up to current Western standards, will take approximtely 30-40 years if we assume an average rate of growth of $1000 per capita per annum. Mind you, it will be diminishing relative to higher year-on-year income averages, so the window may yet be stretched some more. However, do look up an Economist article titled 123,000,000,000,000 <-- yes, odd title, but it's about China's economy in 50-60 years. Quite interesting.

That China will expand on hard power, no question.

But, interdependence is the new buzzword for global politics. At least, I think so.

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My glasses were always multipolar, Georgi. Always. And so they will remain. But there are also realities, and as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, China will be absolutely the most powerful nation, this century, that the planet has ever seen. Which, in this context, is the same thing as saying superpower.

The library is my favorite media source, Georgi, which is where many of these observations originate from, along with experiences and observations.

Yes, USA will hopefully remain a potent force - I do hope for that - but USA must first repair its budget, and so far that is not anywhere on the horizon. We must do that. There will also be other regional power centers, and we will need to work together.

Yes, democracy is a long

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I base my responses in the same way. However, I also apply a thorough evaluation of the facts I come across.

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term investment - it does not happen overnight. The Arab Spring may well continue to evolve for many years, but again it's not a momentary thing. There will be much for all of us to learn as this process continues. Perhaps Russia (and/or France) might become involved (in Syria) for the purpose of "Nation Building" - who knows?

I hope you are correct - interdependence. Much, I think, will depend on that. But historically, when China has felt like doing something, they don't ask their neighbors first. They just do it. And that could be problematic - so we must keep them at the table. Also, many think China's govt will evolve or change (I think so too); if so, hopefully it will be a peaceful shift, and not violent.

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Political decisions are made not only due to past practices or current/immediate realities, but also due to future likelihoods. Hence the Arab League has more influence than its current make-up might suggest. Similarly with China, and wherever else.

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There are as many brands of democracy as there are democratic states. We have to apply a generational perspective to it - and given the volatility of Mideast politics, historically, both through internal tensions and the interferences by external powers - that's why I'm highly doubtful the Arab Spring will succeed. If it does, that means the West is out, and out for a very long time. Russia too.

Don't worry about nation-building...Syria is several millenia older than anything anyone outside of the Mideast can offer up for history.

If you do understand multipolarity, allow me to ask you a question - our world, today, is unique in three ways. They are all quantitative conditions. What are they? The answer is a simple sentence.

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I might suggest you visit the library a tad more often, then, George.

There are no guarantees China will be the most powerful country the world has ever seen. We live in a world of relatives, not absolutes, George.

No doubt budget needs a major overhaul. But, America's relative stake in global affairs cannot be ignored. In fact, it is very signifcant. Budget problems, or not.

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Georgi, the library is also a place you should visit. As well as govt archives.

It may not be written in stone that China will be powerful, but even Napoleon saw it in the early 19th century. It is not hard to see, Georgi. You can not let go of wishful thinking, or imaginary politics that will somehow "allow" this to happen. It's coming. Get ready.

USA has been involved globally, yes, obviously. But the current budget will not support continued involvement, or even our current exposure, & the present White House is not helping.

Nation Building is very important, Georgi, especially when societal elements do not like it, and in any case it can take decades, centuries, to make democracy work. A history that extends back for millennia

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is a proud and marvelous heritage, but no guarantee that they will be able to turn things around in a short period of time (also if neighbors may or may not be helpful). Also, "nation building" can take many guises, from mere advising as requested, to on-scene active participation, to economic negotiations, and so on. Lots of room in there for variations.

Yes, of course, if Arab Spring succeeds, that will modify the region tremendously; that is obvious. They will be making their own decisions, based on their own preferences. Some previous policies will remain, others will not. Again, we shall see.

Bottom line, there will be many who want Syria to move forward and succeed.

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China is 4 times as large as USA, and India will very soon be larger than China. Again, sooner or later the per capita measures will even out.

So, there will be 8 USA's between Russia and the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean (so to speak). Plus the rest of Asia. A very different world.

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Don't remind me...I'm living in a library these days. Archives would actually be nice, they're not far either.

China's model: Export-based economy with low-income domestic market that cannot absorb downturn - unlike Germany for instance. A one-party political system - and one party political systems, history says, ultimately fail. Not enough water and resources makes China dependent on external supplies - why do you think they're investing so much in Africa? Even that may not be enough.

George, what is a nation and what is nation-building? They are not one and the same. You have to define your categories before throwing terms around loosely. Those two also have rather specific definitions.

You haven't answered my question, either.

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Add one more to the mix: what is the major problem for the foreign policies of Western powers (you might include Russia here too, actually) relative to other players in the global system from a global perspective?

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Yes, China today is X. Tomorrow China may very well be Y. Many believe the current Chinese govt will not survive; I also believe this. As to when and how, that is an unknown. The result will still be China, and China will continue to advance - unless it splits into warring states, which is unlikely. And even if it does, they will eventually reunite. The end result is coming, Georgi.

Yes, of course, external supplies. China has been going everywhere now for several years: Mid East, S. America, Africa, String of Pearls (ports) from SCS into Indian Ocean (and helping to build the new port of Gwadar in Pakistan).

China will be competing with India, and whoever else, for these materials. Possible friction. Which is why regional

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historical* perspective.

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interaction amongst other states will be important. We've been over this before, Georgi.

You do not know what a nation is? Why are we even talking, then?

Georgi, this is getting pointless. Do some homework, and call me in a few years.

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I agree. You've got systemic gaps in both factual and theoretical knowledge.

There is no further purpose to our discussion.

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You're young, Georgi. You can grow, and that is a good thing.

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Get over yourself...

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My focus is elsewhere, as should yours be. Your advice is more accurately applied closer to home.

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You're right that the situation is probably too delicate for intervention, unless there is a) a credible opposition movement within Syria that looks like a shadow government; b) a call from that group and from the Arab League; and c) clear UN backing. With the nuances (vested interests...) of the UNSC, I can't see the final point happening, for a starter!

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  • David Dietz 6 months ago Hey Sloane. Even then, I think i...

Hey Sloane.

Even then, I think it's incredibly difficult. Libya has one main opposition. Maybe others form and challenge them but that wasn't really a threat/possibility when we intervened. In Syria you have the alawites, christians, druze, kurds, sunnis, shias (and hezbollah). We have no idea who we'd be protecting, who we'd be supporting and most importantly who/what would come next.

Assad needs to go but the Syrians are going to be the ones to take him out. Turkey's cutting Syria's power is a great first step (it hurts the people short term but it really ratchets up the pressure on the regime big time.

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Agree, David, in part. A conundrum. If NATO is involved, air support alone would almost certainly not be as effective for the reasons you give; boots-on-the-ground would be needed (whether from NATO or elsewhere).

I doubt that Assad's support is as strong as you suggest; his Alawi (& Shiite) base is a small minority - 13-15%. Plus his rule has apparently been strong, even harsh, with little room for dissent. Strength of that type can be brittle, & snap when pressure is sufficient & applied correctly.

Yes, dedicated political will should be a needed aspect of any real assistance to the Syrian opposition. As for regional escalation - I don't think that's unavoidable, especially if Arab League or other local support might be available.

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  • George Mesthos 6 months ago My fellow George, could you elabora...

  • George Schieck 6 months ago George, this is pure conjecture on ...

  • George Schieck 6 months ago (cont) of those two phases (via NA...

My fellow George, could you elaborate more on your position that regional escalation could be avoided?

My kneejerk thought after reading this article was that an attempt to put "boots-on the ground" (which I agree, would probably be necessary) or even just a no-fly zone would be geographically perilous.

Iraq is about to get a shot on its own two feet. Iran probably doesn't want to see its partner knee-capped. Lebanon is always something of a wildcard and what will Israel do? (Although an Israeli airstrike a few years ago got a decidedly muted reaction.) North Africa's neighborhood, including the Mediterranean and the Sahara, was a lot more tranquil.

Economic and other sanctions may be less gratifying, but more viable med. and long term

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George, this is pure conjecture on my part. But assuming that opposition to Assad continues, & that others (e.g. Arab League or NATO) conclude (1) that it's a matter of time until Assad's regime falls, or (2) that Assad's show of force against the opposition is too harsh, it may then be in their best interests to assist the opposition directly, or indirectly by neutralizing Assad's capacity to harm the opposition.

In either case, the support would have to be, at least in part, on the ground, & it would have to be very clear to Syria's neighbors that the effort was humanitarian rather than invasive. If & when Assad might fall, then nation building assistance might also be required.

Possibly France might provide some assistance in either

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of those two phases (via NATO, or directly), or the Arab League. But regardless, if it was clear that the assistance being provided was meant to be internal to Syria only, in the spirit of the Arab Spring, I don't see Syria's neighbors being too upset. Iraq already is engaged in its own reconstruction, Turkey would not object to such specific & minimal assistance (I don't think) nor would Jordan or Israel (if all was contained within Syria). Iran might find it a bitter pill, but it could be risky for Iran to openly oppose NATO or the League; Assad's power base is relatively fragile, plus - if discovered - Iranian efforts to oppose the Arab Spring would not be good PR. Lebanese elements could be sucked in, supporting Assad, but

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again the risk of helping the losing side could outweigh any decision of helping Assad. Plus even Israel might help to 'keep the peace' in Lebanon (if needed), or would at least keep a watchful eye on it. I'm thinking that Israel would prefer an indigenous democracy in Syria rather than Assad's regime.

Bottom line, if external assistance is provided to the Syrian opposition, it should have good PR & plenty of it - for all in the region, and the world, to know what was going on. Also some determined political will; once committed, regime change would be all but assured, although the fighting could be intense for a short while.

Lastly, a stable result would be necessary, hence NATO or the League should remain until conditions

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returned to normal and a new govt was established with its own infrastructure. Then the external support could leave.

Again, if any of this were attempted, it would require plenty of good PR, political will to see it through, and the expectation that the Assad regime would not go away quietly. It would also probably require ongoing consultation with the govts of Iraq, Turkey and Lebanon, and a wary eye on Iran.

If the League (or NATO) does not provide external assistance, and Assad's regime falls anyway (as I think it prob will), then there may be considerable enmity between the new Syria and the League.

Saudi Arabia might prevent League assistance on behalf of Arab Spring, but neither does Saudi want to be seen as condoning

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violence by Assad's regime.

If external assistance is provided, it might have to come from NATO (w/USA approval & assistance, as well as tacit approval from the Arab League - or at least not the League's opposition), or perhaps via aid directly from France - although that could be dangerous & perceived as European or colonialist meddling, whereas NATO has a different persona (Turkey is part of NATO, and NATO actions require unanimous approval).

This is just my conjecture!!

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One solution could be to someone cut off Syria by imposing a Naval blockade and also shutting down the borders between Syria and Turkey, Jordan, Israel (already done I assume) and Lebanon as to limit arms etc.

I don't know if this would be feasible and whether or not Lebanon would go along with it but it'd be worth the consideration I suppose. Other than that the usual sanctions... but eventually more will have to be done.

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A quarantine could certainly have impact, but it would also shut down the entire country, whereas Assad's true power base is a relatively small minority. Plus it might require more intense and ongoing int'l cooperation than mere direct assistance to the opposition, re: border patrols, blockade, etc..

Saudi may be key as part of any Arab League reluctance to become more directly involved with assisting the Syrian opposition, & Egypt has its hands full. Which likely leaves NATO. Perhaps if Turkey complains of refugees or border disturbances, then NATO assistance might commence, or if Assad continues with disproportionate force against the opposition. Conjecture!

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Hey George, I am actually against boots on the ground. I am not sure what I am for or how best to get rid of Assad but putting troops in Syria is a bad idea, although like you said probably the best bet.

At this point the easiest/quickest answer would just be to target Assad, but obviously that is out of the question and against the law.

Other options are blockading their ports and sealing their land borders and Turkey's idea to cut the power is a novel one as well. But it is a tricky tricky situation.

Thoughts? What would you propose?

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David, that's a tough one. Boots on the ground could mean anything: advisors (from NATO?), or actual combat support, or arms for the opposition. Any air support must have ground coordination to be effective (& to help counter Assad's forces).

Before that occurs, however, there will likely be - I think - sanctions, or tougher sanctions, that will try to target the regime, & continued Syrian resistance from the civilian opposition(s). It would also help if the opposition could coalesce into one front or force, but Assad is apparently doing everything he can to prevent that; he's feeling the pressure.

It was interesting today (15th) that Arab League suspended Syrian membership. Their patience is running thin. Time is the unknown here.

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